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re: Gus to Florida State?
Posted on 11/4/19 at 9:11 am to thirdlawson
Posted on 11/4/19 at 9:11 am to thirdlawson
This man doin' work.
Got to hand it to the guy - he just earned commission on $20 million (Taggart's $17 million buyout + the $3 million FSU still owed Oregon for hiring him in the first place).
And he puts yet another client of his in the rumor mill. Here's hoping that Greene doesn't fall for it as easily as Leath did (or JJ before him).
Wonder if Wolken gets some kind of cut?
Got to hand it to the guy - he just earned commission on $20 million (Taggart's $17 million buyout + the $3 million FSU still owed Oregon for hiring him in the first place).
And he puts yet another client of his in the rumor mill. Here's hoping that Greene doesn't fall for it as easily as Leath did (or JJ before him).
Wonder if Wolken gets some kind of cut?
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Posted on 11/4/19 at 9:48 am to FearlessFreep
If Gus is not standing on the sidelines reaping the consequences of not getting offensive linemen next year I'm going to be mad.
Posted on 11/4/19 at 9:56 am to bird35
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If Gus is not standing on the sidelines reaping the consequences of not getting offensive linemen next year I'm going to be mad.
This has been talked about a lot and it is a big concern. I am wondering what people thoughts are on the reason we are behind in Offensive line recruiting? There has to be a reason.... Did we miss on people that we were pretty sure we thought we would get? Transfers? Coach just a dumb arse? Any analogy's why we are behind
Posted on 11/4/19 at 10:02 am to thirdlawson
His record would be better there than at Auburn I'm sure, but how often would he beat Clemson and Florida?
Posted on 11/4/19 at 10:08 am to AuburnTigers
He has made mistakes. He has also cut his teeth in the toughest division in CFB. There is enough there that I feel his next decade will be his best. Runs a great program. Recruits well. He needs to adjust his O amd OL recruiting, but that is something he can do. It is my opinion. I dont see anyone in the field we could realistically get that would be better ATM.
Posted on 11/4/19 at 10:11 am to LanierSpots
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am wondering what people thoughts are on the reason we are behind in Offensive line recruiting?
In general we miss on all offensive positions against our biggest rivals...it's Gus system and they are winning the war of recruiting by shaping the narrative it won't prepare you for the next level.
QB's...We got Bo, he's a legacy other than that when did we get our #1 QB?
RB'S...Thankfully, they are a dime a dozen but we generally take a 2nd or 3rd choice.
OL...I can't remember winning a deep south OL that others wanted badly. We did get fooled by the kid from up North.
WR...We have had some wins at this position, but even then we lose the transcendent talent like Ross.
Compare that to Defense.
DL...we win our share of battles and the occasional BIG DOG.
LB...we also win our share and last season snaked a 5 star.
DB...probably struggling at CB more than safety but neither position is poorly recruited and we've gotten some elite safeties.
#it'sGus
This post was edited on 11/4/19 at 10:13 am
Posted on 11/4/19 at 10:14 am to LanierSpots
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This has been talked about a lot and it is a big concern. I am wondering what people thoughts are on the reason we are behind in Offensive line recruiting? There has to be a reason.... Did we miss on people that we were pretty sure we thought we would get? Transfers? Coach just a dumb arse? Any analogy's why we are behind
Word is that Auburn offensive linemen don't do well in the NFL....
Which is weird because I can name 4-5 of them starting right now....
Posted on 11/4/19 at 10:19 am to thirdlawson
Our coaching staff seems to introverts. We dont really hire used car salesmen. Gus needs to hire a PR firm to rep us. Reality is the NFL looks at talent. The system you are in doesnt matter. The last article I read says most organizations would like more of a blank slate so they can mold to their system.
Posted on 11/4/19 at 10:23 am to LanierSpots
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I am wondering what people thoughts are on the reason we are behind in Offensive line recruiting?
To me it’s a combination of missing on our top targets and then not taking back up plans. I’m more concerned with the quantity of OL we’ve been taking prior to this class than the quality.
Posted on 11/4/19 at 10:33 am to LanierSpots
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This has been talked about a lot and it is a big concern. I am wondering what people thoughts are on the reason we are behind in Offensive line recruiting?
Hiring Grimes back was a lazy hire, and hiring Hand was a mistake.
Our recruiting has been awful for many years now. We don’t put linemen in the league either. G Rob was for all intents and purposes a bust given his draft position, Shon Coleman never started a game that I’m aware of, and articles are out that Braden Smith is a solid lineman despite the college he attended. That invites negative recruiting. Which can help steer 5* tackles like Wanya Morris to Tennessee.
We are fortunate to hit on grad transfers and the occasional transfer like Austin Golsen.
Cristobal can put a great OL on the field though just in case you were wondering.
Posted on 11/4/19 at 11:16 am to thirdlawson
Not hoping he goes, but not willing to pay a dime more to keep him either.
Posted on 11/4/19 at 11:31 am to AUCE05
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He has made mistakes. He has also cut his teeth in the toughest division in CFB. There is enough there that I feel his next decade will be his best. Runs a great program. Recruits well. He needs to adjust his O amd OL recruiting, but that is something he can do. It is my opinion. I dont see anyone in the field we could realistically get that would be better ATM.
Just wondering...You really think he can overcome his deficienies on QB development and offensive consistency to make the next decade his BEST?
And you think he CAN adjust his O and OL?
In 7 years now, he has not shown he can make adjustments, especially in his passing schemes, to make his offense as potent as his D has been now w/ Steele managing it.
He has had too many weaknesses in hiring OL coaches, getting top level OL recruits, and getting his offense to consistently play well in games that involve LSU, GA, Alabama, and a highly ranked bowl opponent.
I think his knowledge and ability is what is causing our teams to lose 4-5 games most years, which by the way keeps us from playing into the SECC and the playoffs.
And after this year, this will be the 6th year that AUburn has not qualified for the playoffs.
Posted on 11/4/19 at 11:39 am to AuSteeler
If we are going to settle for mediocrity, might as well do it with another coach
None of this give Gus another decade bs
None of this give Gus another decade bs
Posted on 11/4/19 at 11:59 am to AUCE05
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He has made mistakes. He has also cut his teeth in the toughest division in CFB. There is enough there that I feel his next decade will be his best. Runs a great program. Recruits well. He needs to adjust his O amd OL recruiting, but that is something he can do. It is my opinion. I dont see anyone in the field we could realistically get that would be better ATM.
If there was progress brewing, I'd agree
But next year will see a total overhaul. We never build season to season, there is always massive turnover and usually considerably different (and often ineffective) offensive philosophy.
We're 9 games into the Gus comeback tour and I don't think anyone feels like it's been a great success. Gus has done well in allowing the defense to carry the program and get us to this position. But even if he calls a masterclass game and beats UGA or Alabama, does it really mean anything for next year and beyond?
Posted on 11/4/19 at 12:00 pm to LanierSpots
So you jinxed us and it’s all your fault? Awesome thanks
Posted on 11/4/19 at 12:02 pm to thirdlawson
Please FSU do it! do IT!!!
Posted on 11/4/19 at 12:08 pm to Pettifogger
If you put Dabo in Gus' situation, they have similar results. The question you have to ask is Gus' issues worth the 60 MM it would take to replace him, then restart building our "brand" with a new staff. Replacing a coach isn't as simple as the board thinks. There are people at every level (HS, etc) helping us. Would be we better at investing 5 MM in program deficiencies? I dunno, but I am not ready to start over at this point. I dont see anyone out there that automatically upgrades our situation.
ETA:
Anyone with a brain saw this as a 9 win season. Not sure what some of you are pissed about. We are actually over achieving with our schedule.
ETA2:
We also need to stop scheduling difficult OOC games and lobby to be the the east/some balance to the SEC schedule. We have the hardest road, and there is nothing wrong with calling out the BS.
ETA:
Anyone with a brain saw this as a 9 win season. Not sure what some of you are pissed about. We are actually over achieving with our schedule.
ETA2:
We also need to stop scheduling difficult OOC games and lobby to be the the east/some balance to the SEC schedule. We have the hardest road, and there is nothing wrong with calling out the BS.
This post was edited on 11/4/19 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 11/4/19 at 12:12 pm to Pettifogger
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But even if he calls a masterclass game and beats UGA or Alabama, does it really mean anything for next year and beyond?
Nope and this is maddening. Would be a sudden drop off in talent. Would have to rebuild, not reload. When schools like Bama lose many junior and senior players to the draft, they reload. We are bout to lose many to the draft, I think, but it’s going to come at a price. Bo might have less help on the line too.
I think the following year or even the following year we may have something cooking. We could have Dylan Brooks and the big 5* DT from eight mile Alabama as well as experienced Bo, Tank, Kobe Hudson, and this current 2019 OL class.
Posted on 11/4/19 at 12:31 pm to AUCE05
My iisue with Gus is not the years that I expect to to be 8-4 (which seems to be about every year under Gus) its the years where he has the teams to do some serious damage in the SEC and underachieves. He would definitely be 10-2 at Florida State every year due to the level of competition. He is not innovative and doesn't adjust well to change. We need someone who will utilize our receivers more. Just think about this, at receiver we have hastings, schwrtz and williams. Outside of Tuscaloosa and Athens our receivers can play with anybody but Gus can't get them the ball. It's a wonder that we can even recruit receivers.
Posted on 11/4/19 at 12:45 pm to AUCE05
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Anyone with a brain saw this as a 9 win season. Not sure what some of you are pissed about. We are actually over achieving with our schedule.
As of right now, this is premature. I would argue we are right on track.
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