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Why did Saban not have the same type success at LSU?
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:52 pm
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:52 pm
Take out his first season at both LSU and Alabama since he was essentially rebuilding at both programs.... then take a look at Seasons 2, 3, 4, and 5 at both Bama and LSU:
Overall Record:
at LSU (2001-2004): 40-12 (76.9%)
at Bama (2008-2011): 49-6 (90.7%)
SEC Record (Regular Season):
at LSU (2001-2004): 23-9 (71.9%)
at Bama (2008-2011): 28-4 (87.5%)
Record vs. Top 25 Opponents (Final AP Rankings):
at LSU (2001-2004): 6-10 (37.5%)
at Bama (2008-2011): 12-6 (66.6%)
Record vs. Opponents that finished #3-#25 in the AP:
at LSU (2001-2004): 6-9 (40.0%)
at Bama (2008-2011): 10-2 (83.3%)
Losses to Unranked Teams (Final AP Rankings):
at LSU (2001-2004): 2
at Bama (2008-2011): zero
So what is the reasoning behind the great disparity? If Saban had been able to achieve the same level of dominance at LSU during five seasons there, I doubt he ever would have left for the NFL. Sure he had success in Baton Rouge, but it was nothing close to the level of success he's had at Alabama.
Overall Record:
at LSU (2001-2004): 40-12 (76.9%)
at Bama (2008-2011): 49-6 (90.7%)
SEC Record (Regular Season):
at LSU (2001-2004): 23-9 (71.9%)
at Bama (2008-2011): 28-4 (87.5%)
Record vs. Top 25 Opponents (Final AP Rankings):
at LSU (2001-2004): 6-10 (37.5%)
at Bama (2008-2011): 12-6 (66.6%)
Record vs. Opponents that finished #3-#25 in the AP:
at LSU (2001-2004): 6-9 (40.0%)
at Bama (2008-2011): 10-2 (83.3%)
Losses to Unranked Teams (Final AP Rankings):
at LSU (2001-2004): 2
at Bama (2008-2011): zero
So what is the reasoning behind the great disparity? If Saban had been able to achieve the same level of dominance at LSU during five seasons there, I doubt he ever would have left for the NFL. Sure he had success in Baton Rouge, but it was nothing close to the level of success he's had at Alabama.
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 3:53 pm
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:53 pm to BHMKyle
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:54 pm to BHMKyle
No Purple Elephant Club
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:54 pm to BHMKyle
Probably gained experience and insight over the years. He seems like the type who keeps learning, doesn't allow himself to become stagnant.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:54 pm to BHMKyle
5 pages.
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In on page one.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:54 pm to BHMKyle
Probably because Alabama is a better job than LSU 
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:55 pm to BHMKyle
I would say perception. He was not established as a big time coach when he got to LSU. He had name recognition when he took the job at Bama.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:56 pm to BHMKyle
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Why did Saban not have the same type success at LSU?
Because nobody ever gets better with experience, right?
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:57 pm to BHMKyle
He hadn't established himself as a NC coach yet, and the talent he assembled won the 2007 championship and should have won the 2006 championship.
If he had stayed, he probably would have had the same success. And that fact is why it bothers LSU fans so much. They realize what could have been.
If he had stayed, he probably would have had the same success. And that fact is why it bothers LSU fans so much. They realize what could have been.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:58 pm to BHMKyle
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Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:59 pm to BHMKyle
I truly believe he would have, had he been there 10 years or more. He was definitely on track there and I don't think he ever would have left for another college job. Bama got lucky getting him. Let's not kid ourselves.
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 4:01 pm
Posted on 9/29/17 at 3:59 pm to Mahootney
LSU fans should be upset. Gators get it probably better than anybody else. Urban had "heart issues," then spent an ENTIRE YEAR so fricked up on benzos that he didn't know his own name while Steve Addazio was basically HC. He took ONE YEAR away to "be with his family and start a new life" or some shite and then moved to Ohio.
So yeah frick that dude. I get it, LSU fans. Putting aside my dumb sarcastic shite for a sec to be real. Y'all got it worse than we did because we got 2 titles out of our guy and ours didn't end up playing us every year. fricking sucks - Bama gets the best coach in history and that should have been you. Would have been you had Saban not had that ego that pushed him to Miami.
So yeah frick that dude. I get it, LSU fans. Putting aside my dumb sarcastic shite for a sec to be real. Y'all got it worse than we did because we got 2 titles out of our guy and ours didn't end up playing us every year. fricking sucks - Bama gets the best coach in history and that should have been you. Would have been you had Saban not had that ego that pushed him to Miami.
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 9/29/17 at 4:00 pm to BHMKyle
If Saban would've stayed longer his reign at LSU would've been very similar to his at Alabama. He most likely would've won back to back titles in 2006 & 2007. Hell, LSU was loaded in 2005 and he probably could've won at least an SEC title with that team.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 4:00 pm to BHMKyle
LSU just isn't hard wired to win championships like Alabama is. But neither are the other programs in this conference. You'll see occasional success from the other so-called "Big Six" schools but none can sustain like Alabama can.
Posted on 9/29/17 at 4:00 pm to BHMKyle
He's just a lot happier in Tuscaloosa than he ever was there. He likes us more. His heart is in it this time. 
Posted on 9/29/17 at 4:02 pm to BHMKyle
Because that jockey is riding a faster horse now, right?
Posted on 9/29/17 at 4:03 pm to The muffintime
Urban doesn't have HALF the drive and OCD / German perfectionist tendencies (not saying he is German because he is Croatian).
Posted on 9/29/17 at 4:04 pm to Hussss
quote:Absolutely. Look at the freight train lsu was right when he left
I truly believe he would have, had he been there 10 years or more.
2003-won national title
2004-finished 9-3, bowl loss was terrible, who knows where Sabans head was at
saban leaves
2005-lsu goes 11-2 finished 5 in the country
2006-lsu goes 11-2 finished 3 in the country
2007-lsu goes 12-2 wins national title
So in a 5 season stretch, in which we only had Saban for 2 seasons, and a worse coach in Miles for 3:
we won the national title and sec title in 2/5 years
competed for an sec title in 3/5 years
finshed top 5 in 4/5 years
We were setup for a bama run there
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 9/29/17 at 4:04 pm to Hussss
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Urban doesn't have HALF the drive and OCD / German perfectionist tendencies (not saying he is German because he is Croatian).
dafuq that got to do with anything? Urban lost his drive because he fricked up his brain with drugs in 2010. Before that he was as driven as Nick Saban. Guaran-frickin-teed. Urban before drugs was the most driven man in sports.
I'll grant you that he probably wasn't OCD like Nicky. Urban didnt give a frick if his stars were out robbing and murdering and beating up coaches as long as they were healthy and not locked up on game day. Hard to say for sure how OCD he was otherwise, though.
This post was edited on 9/29/17 at 4:07 pm
Posted on 9/29/17 at 4:05 pm to BHMKyle
1 thing that can skew that overall record a little is the extra cupcake game from 2008-2011 vs. 2001-2004. Didn't go to 4 OOC games till 2005-6 ish IIRC?
One thing that did drastically derail 1 season at LSU was losing Matt Mauck in the 2002 season to injury. We went 3-4 without Mauck replaced by Jordan Jefferson jr. (Marcus Randall). That was a huge blow to that season.
That 2002 season could have ended much differently if he never got hurt.
One thing that did drastically derail 1 season at LSU was losing Matt Mauck in the 2002 season to injury. We went 3-4 without Mauck replaced by Jordan Jefferson jr. (Marcus Randall). That was a huge blow to that season.
That 2002 season could have ended much differently if he never got hurt.
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