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Why do the majority say Florida football started under Spurrier…
Posted on 5/12/24 at 9:27 am
Posted on 5/12/24 at 9:27 am
and quite possibly ignore the success from 1983-1985? Do the major NCAA infractions overshadow 1984-1985?
Gators went 27-4-3 during those three years. 1984 was an SEC title season despite being vacated several months later. While on probation, Florida was still eligible for AP rankings. They were #1 in November before loss to Georgia. Had UF won out, they could have won their first national title while on probation.
Although I was way too young to grasp anything in the 80s, based on history, I feel as if 1983-1985 Florida doesn’t get the credit it deserves despite the circumstances.
1983 OC Mike Shanahan - graduate assistant national champion at OU, D-II national champion as an assistant, Super Bowl champion as an assistant, two-time Super Bowl champion head coach.
Galen Hall - OC at OU for the 1974-1975 national championship teams. The 1974 Sooners were on major probation.
Gators went 27-4-3 during those three years. 1984 was an SEC title season despite being vacated several months later. While on probation, Florida was still eligible for AP rankings. They were #1 in November before loss to Georgia. Had UF won out, they could have won their first national title while on probation.
Although I was way too young to grasp anything in the 80s, based on history, I feel as if 1983-1985 Florida doesn’t get the credit it deserves despite the circumstances.
1983 OC Mike Shanahan - graduate assistant national champion at OU, D-II national champion as an assistant, Super Bowl champion as an assistant, two-time Super Bowl champion head coach.
Galen Hall - OC at OU for the 1974-1975 national championship teams. The 1974 Sooners were on major probation.
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Posted on 5/12/24 at 9:30 am to Oklahomey
The picture of the NCAA wheeling in the 100+ allegations of violations by Charlie Pell on hand trucks probably had something to do with it.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 9:34 am to Oklahomey
Fair assessment. Prior to the 80s the State of Florida had zero “major” programs. Within a decade it had 3. My guess is Miami soaked up all the attention in the 80s so no one noticed Florida was rising too until a big personality like Spurrier came in with an offense everyone wanted to see.
To say a recruiting scandal made people forget seems flawed. The 80s were the peak of NCAA cheating.
To say a recruiting scandal made people forget seems flawed. The 80s were the peak of NCAA cheating.
This post was edited on 5/12/24 at 9:39 am
Posted on 5/12/24 at 10:52 am to Oklahomey
Because that’s when all the bandwagon fans jumped on.
This post was edited on 5/12/24 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 5/12/24 at 10:56 am to Oklahomey
one, that's when sustained national prominence began
two, nobody cares either way. it's a nothingburger
two, nobody cares either way. it's a nothingburger
Posted on 5/12/24 at 11:09 am to MillerLiteTime
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Prior to the 80s the State of Florida had zero “major” programs. Within a decade it had 3.
Spurrier took over in 1990 but had nothing on Bobby Bowden
Bowden was 8-5-1 against Spurrier.
I recall the "Cheatin' Charlie Pell" label that Florida owned for several years.
This post was edited on 5/12/24 at 11:14 am
Posted on 5/12/24 at 11:33 am to Oklahomey
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Had UF won out,
But they didn't and we can say the same about multiple 1 loss teams that were knocked out of NC contention.
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Gators went 27-4-3 during those three years.
And? Does a three stretch averaging 9 wins really mean a program has reached national powerhouse status?
Posted on 5/12/24 at 11:36 am to SpotCheckBilly
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SpotCheckBillyThe picture of the NCAA wheeling in the 100+ allegations of violations by Charlie Pell on hand trucks probably had something to do with it.
The history of Auburn’ ncaa trouble is far more egregious than UF
Posted on 5/12/24 at 11:54 am to Oklahomey
Two amazing years doesn’t make a good program.
But the Bear did say they were a sleeping giant.
But the Bear did say they were a sleeping giant.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 11:55 am to Chip82
Charlie Pell's cheating is overrated.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 12:59 pm to John Milner
Gump AU obsession is worse than I thought.
Jumping into a Florida thread mid-discussion to clutch their pearls about Auburn.
Jumping into a Florida thread mid-discussion to clutch their pearls about Auburn.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 1:42 pm to joshnorris14
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Charlie Pell's cheating is overrated.
Overrated? Heck no, he was good at it.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 1:46 pm to SpotCheckBilly
Some of those charges were stuff like walk ons sleeping on the floor in the athletic dorms. Walk ons eating hot dogs in the school cafeteria
Posted on 5/12/24 at 1:48 pm to Chip82
Bowden had losing record to Florida a s Miami.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 1:55 pm to TheFourHorsemen
quote:his replacement, Galen Hall, was forced out for helping a player pay child support
Some of those charges were stuff like walk ons sleeping on the floor in the athletic dorms. Walk ons eating hot dogs in the school cafeteria
https://www.jacksonville.com/story/sports/college/uf-gators/2010/12/31/former-gators-coach-galen-hall-finds-peace-happy/15919912007/
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He was forced out after the 1989 season amid another NCAA investigation, which was the result of allegations that Hall made improper payments to assistant coaches and also helped a player with child support. That landed the Gators back on probation in 1990.
The truth was the UAA didn’t like them because they tried too hard to win. So they self reported to the ncaa (just like Will Grier and Jalen Rashada) and then used Pell, and Hall, as scape goat boogie men to justify not spending money on trying to win in football and allocating funds on useless things like stadium kitchens.
Napier sucks and is playing small ball so expect him to stay until 2026 unless he wins 3 or less games in either of the next two seasons. The UAA loves a “nice guy” loser like Napier.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 1:56 pm to Oklahomey
Spurrier single-handedly turned the Georgia-Florida rivalry around. Brutally, thoroughly, and with great joy.
Georgia is just now pulling itself out of the football hell that Spurrier sent us to.
And Florida is just now returning to where it was prior to Spurrier.
Spurrier is Florida football. Florida football begins with Spurrier, and the only reason it doesn't end with him is because of Urban Meyer.
Thankfully, it seems like Florida has now fully reverted to its pre-Spurrier form. But yeah, make no mistake, Florida football started under Spurrier.
Georgia is just now pulling itself out of the football hell that Spurrier sent us to.
And Florida is just now returning to where it was prior to Spurrier.
Spurrier is Florida football. Florida football begins with Spurrier, and the only reason it doesn't end with him is because of Urban Meyer.
Thankfully, it seems like Florida has now fully reverted to its pre-Spurrier form. But yeah, make no mistake, Florida football started under Spurrier.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 2:48 pm to Oklahomey
This is a serious question?
Sec football titles pre spurrier
1. Bama-19
2. Tenn-11
3-UGA-10
4. Lsu-7
5. Ole miss-6
6 auburn- 5
6. Georgia tech- 5
8. Tulane- 3
9. Tie Florida and Miss state-1
Sec football titles pre spurrier
1. Bama-19
2. Tenn-11
3-UGA-10
4. Lsu-7
5. Ole miss-6
6 auburn- 5
6. Georgia tech- 5
8. Tulane- 3
9. Tie Florida and Miss state-1
Posted on 5/12/24 at 2:51 pm to Oklahomey
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Why do the majority say Florida football started under Spurrier…
and quite possibly ignore the success from 1983-1985? Do the major NCAA infractions overshadow 1984-1985?
Like an onion there are a lot of layers here.
In 1979 when Florida hired Charley Pell, he did not retain any of the previous coaches, not a single one. Well one of those coaches was 1st year coach Steve Spurrier who coached the QB's and WR's.
Fast forward 11 years to Spurrier taking over Florida, and he always had a disdain for Florida football in the 80's. He never gave any credit to those teams and basically acted like that decade didn't exist.
I think it was both a personal grudge and also that Spurrier didn't like the cheating that went on. Either way, Spurrier ran a clean program and he won big, so his detractors quickly got in line and it is hard to find too much fault with a guy who is winning and not cheating.
As someone who was associated with the program in the 80's it sucks, but we know we had some bad arse teams no matter if we have the accolades or not.
Posted on 5/12/24 at 2:53 pm to Oklahomey
I mean Florida football did pretty much start with Spurrier, not only as coach, but he was the first player at UF to win a Heisman, previous to any dates you have mentioned.
I’d say he is the most influential person when it comes to Florida’s football program.
I’d say he is the most influential person when it comes to Florida’s football program.
This post was edited on 5/12/24 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 5/12/24 at 2:54 pm to bigDgator
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As someone who was associated with the program in the 80's
Very cool.
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