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Honest discussion about NIL. Would love to hear thoughts.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:17 am
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:17 am
So, I really hadn't thought about it that much till I saw where Jerry Jones was promising to pay double for kids that were migrating to Arkansas from Kentucky, and the 16 year old kid that is demanding $2M a year, but I got to thinking about how NIL is impacting college sports, or what used to be college sports, now just a professional league with college names on the front. Let's discuss it a bit and help me if I'm wrong, because I really haven't researched it to be sure I understand how it all works.
A school can have an "NIL collective", whether for one sport or all sports I guess. And from that collective, donations are raised from a fan giving $1 to billionaires giving millions.
College kids can also work their own deals with other 3rd parties, such as businesses looking for advertising.
Maybe there are other alternatives as well.
So, let's say a school has $10M in NIL collective money to spend. I would guess the majority of that goes to football and men's basketball and players all negotiate for the most they can get from the school plus any side deals with the concept of the kids with the most name recognition (QB's, and basketball players) getting the most money.
As best I can tell, the NCAA created no rules around this, and just allowed collegiate sports to become minor league professional sports. In this scenario, the schools who raise and spend the most will get the majority of the talent every time. Right or wrong, that seems to me to be how it will work.
Wouldn't it have been better to have there been a cap that applies to all schools and all sports of a certain amount, and everyone gets the same? That would make the incentive to chase the most money go away, and kids could go to the schools they want and not just choose based upon pay.
Also, should schools now push back a bit? Schools pay you as an employee, you now pay for your own tuition, room, board, meals, insurance, etc.
Also should they have performance clauses in their contracts. Should a school be able to remove a player who is not performing up to expectations in the middle of a season? Seems right now, you can pay a kid millions and get little to nothing in return.
I'm not completely against NIL, but I don't like how it's working now. It seems completely one sided, and I wonder when booster fatigue will set in, and maybe that needs to happen soooner rather than later.
A school can have an "NIL collective", whether for one sport or all sports I guess. And from that collective, donations are raised from a fan giving $1 to billionaires giving millions.
College kids can also work their own deals with other 3rd parties, such as businesses looking for advertising.
Maybe there are other alternatives as well.
So, let's say a school has $10M in NIL collective money to spend. I would guess the majority of that goes to football and men's basketball and players all negotiate for the most they can get from the school plus any side deals with the concept of the kids with the most name recognition (QB's, and basketball players) getting the most money.
As best I can tell, the NCAA created no rules around this, and just allowed collegiate sports to become minor league professional sports. In this scenario, the schools who raise and spend the most will get the majority of the talent every time. Right or wrong, that seems to me to be how it will work.
Wouldn't it have been better to have there been a cap that applies to all schools and all sports of a certain amount, and everyone gets the same? That would make the incentive to chase the most money go away, and kids could go to the schools they want and not just choose based upon pay.
Also, should schools now push back a bit? Schools pay you as an employee, you now pay for your own tuition, room, board, meals, insurance, etc.
Also should they have performance clauses in their contracts. Should a school be able to remove a player who is not performing up to expectations in the middle of a season? Seems right now, you can pay a kid millions and get little to nothing in return.
I'm not completely against NIL, but I don't like how it's working now. It seems completely one sided, and I wonder when booster fatigue will set in, and maybe that needs to happen soooner rather than later.
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Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:19 am to kywildcatfanone
There is no pushback. Each school can pretty much do what is right in their own eyes. This model will soon implode. The sooner the better.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:23 am to kywildcatfanone
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And from that collective, donations are raised from a fan giving $1 to billionaires giving millions.
I just want to comment on this part.
Yes, a billionaire wants to know he’s got the backing from a collective of fans. He wants the millionaire to donate 1000 per month; the multi-thousand Aires to donate 100 per month and the average fan to produce 20 per month. I am sure there is a health equation that makes a sturdy donor-base. That’s what he’s looking for.
The fans need to get involved or the billionaire is going to focus his money on getting to multi multi billionaire status with his business and his Alma mater will have to wait until he knows he’s investing into a team that will reward him with wins.
This post was edited on 4/24/24 at 9:31 am
Posted on 4/24/24 at 9:23 am to kywildcatfanone
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NCAA created no rules around this
You clearly do not understand the NCAA or what has happened. The NCAA clearly had rules in place. A California judge basically said you can't tell an adult he/she can't make money while collecting Billions of dollars. If you want to place blame, blame the colleges AD/presidents and coaches who raked in money for decades while not planning for the future.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 10:13 am to kywildcatfanone
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I'm not completely against NIL, but I don't like how it's working now. It seems completely one sided, and I wonder when booster fatigue will set in, and maybe that needs to happen sooner rather than later.
The only route to reintroduce rules are the few SEC/B1G programs who can afford to breaking away, classifying players as employees & collectively bargaining with unions. I don’t like it, but haven’t seen any other model that will stand up in court. It’s that, or go be a fan of a smaller school which is still somewhat amateur sports.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 10:19 am to kywildcatfanone
The problem is, so long as kids can freely choose where they go, there's always going to be boosters to give money/incentives.
If you have a cap, the kid will then get whatever's alloted based on the cap, but then will also get the sacks full of cash under the table. With no caps, there's no incentive for dark money.
You can't have a cap unless you have a method in which kids are assigned schools. Otherwise, it's unfair to restrict school A from putting forward their best offer, when school B can match and also has a bagman or cheap acreage in rural Georgia.
If players can't choose but are assigned through a draft or algorithm method, then caps make sense because there's no incentive to give anyone extra bc it's not going to influence where they go.
Why should the schools push back? This is not costing them anything. It's all being propped up by fans. Performance clauses is one of the few rules the NCAA has in place. Should those rules go away? Maybe. It would prevent players for latching on the sitting on the bench. Perhaps a bonus model is more appropriate.
The onus is on the conferences to police this as the NCAA is worthless at this point.
If you have a cap, the kid will then get whatever's alloted based on the cap, but then will also get the sacks full of cash under the table. With no caps, there's no incentive for dark money.
You can't have a cap unless you have a method in which kids are assigned schools. Otherwise, it's unfair to restrict school A from putting forward their best offer, when school B can match and also has a bagman or cheap acreage in rural Georgia.
If players can't choose but are assigned through a draft or algorithm method, then caps make sense because there's no incentive to give anyone extra bc it's not going to influence where they go.
Why should the schools push back? This is not costing them anything. It's all being propped up by fans. Performance clauses is one of the few rules the NCAA has in place. Should those rules go away? Maybe. It would prevent players for latching on the sitting on the bench. Perhaps a bonus model is more appropriate.
The onus is on the conferences to police this as the NCAA is worthless at this point.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 10:21 am to kywildcatfanone
NIL should only come from any legit business opportunity that uses their name, like, and image.
No pay for play from boosters or the university period. Your money either comes from a legit, pre-verified and vetted service you are providing or not at all. And if I had it my way, you only get it your junior or senior season. Should never be an incentive to sign with any program.
The transfer portal should only be open after your sophomore year and later. And then for only verifiable hardship cases or legitimate cases where it can be reasonably proved you'll get more playing time.
No pay for play from boosters or the university period. Your money either comes from a legit, pre-verified and vetted service you are providing or not at all. And if I had it my way, you only get it your junior or senior season. Should never be an incentive to sign with any program.
The transfer portal should only be open after your sophomore year and later. And then for only verifiable hardship cases or legitimate cases where it can be reasonably proved you'll get more playing time.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 10:48 am to kywildcatfanone
Everything happening was obviously going to happen when they started this NIL.
This is what you get when you think government is the answer to societies problems. All they do is cause problems. The entire system is voluntary, the federal government has no business being involved.
This is what you get when you think government is the answer to societies problems. All they do is cause problems. The entire system is voluntary, the federal government has no business being involved.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 10:54 am to kywildcatfanone
Players own their own NIL rights (as they should).
Players should not be granted immediate eligibility upon transfer unless they have a diploma in hand.
No exceptions. When you have Hardship waivers, every transfer is a Hardship. Just ask their lawyer.
That solves the real problem (free agency).
Players should not be granted immediate eligibility upon transfer unless they have a diploma in hand.
No exceptions. When you have Hardship waivers, every transfer is a Hardship. Just ask their lawyer.
That solves the real problem (free agency).
Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:39 am to kywildcatfanone
I hate it. Even if Jerry and John give ark 100 mill a yr. Pay the kids but shite they can't make more then nba draft picks
Posted on 4/24/24 at 11:56 am to kywildcatfanone
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Wouldn't it have been better to have there been a cap that applies to all schools and all sports of a certain amount, and everyone gets the same? That would make the incentive to chase the most money go away, and kids could go to the schools they want and not just choose based upon pay.
It’s not feasible. Schools are not paying players ergo a cap on them wouldn’t work. What you are suggesting is capping private individuals and businesses or limiting what players can earn from businesses and private individuals.
A better model to do this would be for players to be employees of the collegiate football league. That removes the schools and puts the financial burden on the league. That also creates super conferences as the league would need oversight on standards, scheduling, eligibility, and transfers.
That’s the next logical step in this mess. Schools recruit kids and they sign over the limited NIL rights to the league. They could still get endorsement deals (NIL deals) locally but the league would have oversight on them, thus curtailing them greatly. It would remove the inducement to chase the dollar as they would get a base pay plus endorsements.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 1:47 pm to kywildcatfanone
He who has the most gold!
And its not often that I agree with anything Nick Sabin says but I agree with him that NIL will forever change the landscape of college football.
And its not often that I agree with anything Nick Sabin says but I agree with him that NIL will forever change the landscape of college football.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 1:52 pm to kywildcatfanone
There is a simpler way to regulate the craziness. Forget about the entire NIL deals. NCAA cannot regulate what an adult can earn. Nor should it. NCAA already screwed this pooch when they profited off of they sold the NIL of the athletes.
What the NCAA can do is establish a uniform set of standards for admission and transfers for athletes. 2.5 GPA in the high school core classes…maintain a minimum of an 2.0 to remain in any athletic program with a minimum of 12 hours per semester… a 2.5 GPA with a minimum of 24 hours to transfer. Allow a one time transfer…redshirt one year after transfer. Do not allow any school to be involved in any NIL deal.
The advantages are great. Alabama took advantage of no minimum requirements forever to stockpile athletic idiots. Most of the 2022 Aggie class are no longer in Div 1 football, and wouldn’t be with a team anyway due to grades or class attendance. Same with LSU. Most of Lane Kiflin’s mercenaries would be out of football this year. Big money donors will be much more selective in throwing around NIL money to someone that might not be on the team next semester. The transfer ‘hos will find it easier to remain at the original school rather than transferring. The Wild West mentality of the transfer portal will be changed. BMDs will be much more selective and restrictive on terms with kids, families and agents. A couple of years of getting burned on NIL contracts with a kid that flunked out or can’t transfer or play, will bring the money idiots to heel.
The market will settle itself down for the NIL deals.
What the NCAA can do is establish a uniform set of standards for admission and transfers for athletes. 2.5 GPA in the high school core classes…maintain a minimum of an 2.0 to remain in any athletic program with a minimum of 12 hours per semester… a 2.5 GPA with a minimum of 24 hours to transfer. Allow a one time transfer…redshirt one year after transfer. Do not allow any school to be involved in any NIL deal.
The advantages are great. Alabama took advantage of no minimum requirements forever to stockpile athletic idiots. Most of the 2022 Aggie class are no longer in Div 1 football, and wouldn’t be with a team anyway due to grades or class attendance. Same with LSU. Most of Lane Kiflin’s mercenaries would be out of football this year. Big money donors will be much more selective in throwing around NIL money to someone that might not be on the team next semester. The transfer ‘hos will find it easier to remain at the original school rather than transferring. The Wild West mentality of the transfer portal will be changed. BMDs will be much more selective and restrictive on terms with kids, families and agents. A couple of years of getting burned on NIL contracts with a kid that flunked out or can’t transfer or play, will bring the money idiots to heel.
The market will settle itself down for the NIL deals.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 2:15 pm to kywildcatfanone
I think everybody talking like transfers are something that can be controlled have gotten lost in the NIL forest and perhaps not seen that the very same dynamics are at play there as well. There's not going to be any control transfers for all of the same fundamental reasons.
And I don't see any way any union can function either. They offer nothing to either side, students or schools.
And I don't see any way any union can function either. They offer nothing to either side, students or schools.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 3:06 pm to kywildcatfanone
What do you guys think about "open dorse"? You going to invite any athletes too your barbecue
https://opendorse.com/
https://opendorse.com/
Posted on 4/24/24 at 3:44 pm to kywildcatfanone
NIL might not be that bad. The (unlimited) transfer portal might not be that bad. But when you combine them, it produces tons of players roaming from team to team, getting a pay raise with each move and "screw the school I just left, someone offered me more money". IMHO the combination of the 2 is a complete disaster.
Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:20 pm to kywildcatfanone
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kids could go to the schools they want and not just choose based upon pay.
Who needs to consider such things you're going pro
Honestly, NIL thing is annoying, not because it's changed our status (UK had the typical season it does under stoops) but because odds are the person cares 0 about the school and will leave at the drop of hat/opt put of bowl games.
It's becoming the NFL, and the nfl sucks
Posted on 4/24/24 at 4:47 pm to kywildcatfanone
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So, I really hadn't thought about it that much till I saw where Jerry Jones was promising to pay double for kids that were migrating to Arkansas from Kentucky, and the 16 year old kid that is demanding $2M a year, but I got to thinking about how NIL is impacting college sports, or what used to be college sports, now just a professional league with college names on the front. Let's discuss it a bit and help me if I'm wrong, because I really haven't researched it to be sure I understand how it all works.
So nil didn’t bother you until a unfounded rumor about Jerry Jones surfaced?
Posted on 4/24/24 at 5:15 pm to kywildcatfanone
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So, I really hadn't thought about it that much till I saw where Jerry Jones was promising to pay double for kids that were migrating to Arkansas from Kentucky
You know that was all bullshite, right?
Posted on 4/24/24 at 6:17 pm to kywildcatfanone
I'm fine with the players getting paid but I'm not fine with NIL being used as inducement. I'm fine with player free agency, I'm not fine with it being unfettered.
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