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Posted on 6/29/21 at 4:36 am
Posted on 6/29/21 at 4:36 am
So what's the thoughts on the Supreme Court ruling and the Name Image and Likeness laws being passed in some states?
End of Amateurism?
End of college football?
Does it open pandora box?
All the above?
My take has always been to keep amateurism alive. To provide players in the money making sports a stipend that is regulated heavily. Sports that do not make a profit obviously can't provide the same to their players.
It's always been is it a farm system for the NFL and NBA or is an institution of learning. I still consider university players as student athletes. Student coming first. I would much rather the NFL have a 4 team farm system that plays in the spring then the NCAA be a farm system for the NFL. That would probably knock off about 100-200 kids off the top each year to "skip school" and jump right to the NFL.
And don't give me the sob story of the kids can't work, can't even take a girl out on a date blah blah blah. There is enough "free" money available to scholarship athletes that it isn't really the case. Now you might not can drive a new Dodge Challenger (see what I did there) and eat steak and lobster every time you want to go out but these kids for the most part have plenty of money for pocket money.
I understand the argument of it's a multibillion dollar industry. Other student go into multibillion dollar industries for internships and don't get paid either.
Does the chemistry students at UF get paid royalties from Gatorade?
Last question what will college football be in 10 years?
End of Amateurism?
End of college football?
Does it open pandora box?
All the above?
My take has always been to keep amateurism alive. To provide players in the money making sports a stipend that is regulated heavily. Sports that do not make a profit obviously can't provide the same to their players.
It's always been is it a farm system for the NFL and NBA or is an institution of learning. I still consider university players as student athletes. Student coming first. I would much rather the NFL have a 4 team farm system that plays in the spring then the NCAA be a farm system for the NFL. That would probably knock off about 100-200 kids off the top each year to "skip school" and jump right to the NFL.
And don't give me the sob story of the kids can't work, can't even take a girl out on a date blah blah blah. There is enough "free" money available to scholarship athletes that it isn't really the case. Now you might not can drive a new Dodge Challenger (see what I did there) and eat steak and lobster every time you want to go out but these kids for the most part have plenty of money for pocket money.
I understand the argument of it's a multibillion dollar industry. Other student go into multibillion dollar industries for internships and don't get paid either.
Does the chemistry students at UF get paid royalties from Gatorade?
Last question what will college football be in 10 years?
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Posted on 6/29/21 at 5:08 am to CorchJay
As far as NIL payments, for every Sullivan, Beasley, Cam, Bo, Barkley, and the Big Hurt, there a thousands of guys who will be starters, maybe have a great year, but be forgotten fairly quickly.
Auburn made a tremendous amount of money selling #2 jerseys. I’m ok with Cam getting a piece of that in some way. Of course, Auburn gave him an opportunity so it’s a two way street.
NIL is like anything else in life. It can be positive or lead to dark places.
College football has changed dramatically since I went to Jordan Hare in 1973 for the first time. I walked into the locker room with my uncle and my program and the coaches and players signed it. We were not big donors.
NIL does not change human nature. It just reveals it further.
Auburn made a tremendous amount of money selling #2 jerseys. I’m ok with Cam getting a piece of that in some way. Of course, Auburn gave him an opportunity so it’s a two way street.
NIL is like anything else in life. It can be positive or lead to dark places.
College football has changed dramatically since I went to Jordan Hare in 1973 for the first time. I walked into the locker room with my uncle and my program and the coaches and players signed it. We were not big donors.
NIL does not change human nature. It just reveals it further.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 5:17 am to CorchJay
My thought… if you want to participate in the NIL PROCESS … then you not only forfeit your scholarship but pay back the full amount spent to date. Including room, board, food, and books.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 7:36 am to awestruck
I’d like to see a partnership type arrangement.
If over the course of your time in college, your jersey number sells at a higher rate than the previous 10 year average, then a per cent of each jersey over that is a royalty.
Also, autograph days could be arranged in the open. Or even offer autographed merchandise including game worn jerseys from key players.
Get all highlights on whatever that new technology is where Zion sold his highlights. Money should be placed in trust until player gets degree.
If over the course of your time in college, your jersey number sells at a higher rate than the previous 10 year average, then a per cent of each jersey over that is a royalty.
Also, autograph days could be arranged in the open. Or even offer autographed merchandise including game worn jerseys from key players.
Get all highlights on whatever that new technology is where Zion sold his highlights. Money should be placed in trust until player gets degree.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 7:40 am to awestruck
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thought… if you want to participate in the NIL PROCESS … then you not only forfeit your scholarship but pay back the full amount spent to date. Including room, board, food, and books.
Why?
Posted on 6/29/21 at 7:57 am to CorchJay
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So what's the thoughts on the Supreme Court ruling and the Name Image and Likeness laws being passed in some states?
As a capitalist, I’m all for it. Pay people what they’re worth. I’ve always thought it was criminal that the school could sell jerseys of a player (I know the name wasn’t on the back but give me a break) and profit off of them, and the player never sees a dime.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 8:55 am to CorchJay
The fall of Amateur college sports in college has been on a course of destruction for a long time.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 9:08 am to CorchJay
I haven't seen a great justification for any organization to benefit from the labor of a human and net millions of dollars.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 9:52 am to CorchJay
If someone can make money of their own name, image, and likeness, then as far as I’m concerned, I hope they do well.
This could actually help some top 1 and done basketball players stay in college which obviously helps Auburn. Especially if some of these deals rival these startup leagues.
I would like to see Auburn Athletics require kids making more than x amount to complete a personal finance course that covers taxation, compound interest, etc.
This could actually help some top 1 and done basketball players stay in college which obviously helps Auburn. Especially if some of these deals rival these startup leagues.
I would like to see Auburn Athletics require kids making more than x amount to complete a personal finance course that covers taxation, compound interest, etc.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 10:16 am to AA7
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As a capitalist, I’m all for it. Pay people what they’re worth. I’ve always thought it was criminal that the school could sell jerseys of a player (I know the name wasn’t on the back but give me a break) and profit off of them, and the player never sees a dime.
I agree but I do worry about the negative aspects that will arise from players who will be so popular that they will be making money off their likeness, image, etc.
For example, Say a popular player decides to autograph jerseys, and market them through the school. Will kids who have that player's jersey(unsigned) come to Fan day and get rejected bc the player doesn't want to sign them, since he will not be getting any compensation?
Posted on 6/29/21 at 10:20 am to Weagle25
quote:Just my opinion that they are already being paid what the rest of society would love to be get. Mainly that they can graduate with no debt for them or their parents. .. a complete full ride. Something many will pay on for as long as a mortgage. And for sure greed they want to cause team dissection. Again just my thoughts but there’s also no way the majority of schools will be able to match the power elite on a cash basis so good bye to football as we know it.
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Posted on 6/29/21 at 10:40 am to awestruck
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Just my opinion that they are already being paid what the rest of society would love to be get. Mainly that they can graduate with no debt for them or their parents. .. a complete full ride
Meh, most universities offer free tuition to employees and their dependents. The players aren’t exactly school employees, but it’s not a far gap between the two.
One dynamic that I think will be interesting is are there guys who aren’t elite, but still highly rated who choose to go somewhere like UCF and be their poster child and get a ton of money opportunities as opposed to going to Clemson to just be another guy.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 10:44 am to AuSteeler
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For example, Say a popular player decides to autograph jerseys, and market them through the school. Will kids who have that player's jersey(unsigned) come to Fan day and get rejected bc the player doesn't want to sign them, since he will not be getting any compensation?
I mean I guess it’s possible, but professional athletes sign stuff all the time for free. I would think if a school is that concerned about a player refusing to sign stuff for fans then you could easily add some type of contractual obligation on the front end.
I personally think a bigger deal is being made of it than what it will actually be. I’m with Jones though that there should be some financial coaching involved as well.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 11:30 am to CorchJay
Could give our bagmen some cover.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 11:37 am to Awesome Dave
Bagmen need to convert to Crypto stat
Posted on 6/29/21 at 11:58 am to PubeCrab
This will actually help keep more kids in school for longer, because the incentive to run off to become a 5th round pick or not even drafted in the NFL is minimized if that same player can make some money to stay in school and perhaps improve their NFL stock even further.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 12:05 pm to awestruck
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Just my opinion that they are already being paid what the rest of society would love to be get. Mainly that they can graduate with no debt for them or their parents. .. a complete full ride. Something many will pay on for as long as a mortgage. And for sure greed they want to cause team dissection. Again just my thoughts but there’s also no way the majority of schools will be able to match the power elite on a cash basis so good bye to football as we know it.
What you fail to realize is that none of these "amateur student athletes" in football can focus on academics even if they wanted to, thus the idea that their scholarship is equal payment for their services is where the con lies. There is absolutely no amateurism at play here and that has been the case for decades now - you can't say "oh they deserve no money because they are paid with a scholarship" when everyone knows that 90% of their time is dedicated to their sport. What do you think would happen if Nick Saban's star football player all of a sudden wanted to take some time off from practice because he really wanted to ace his advanced calculus exam? These kids are literally pushed into the easiest courses imaginable so they can focus as much time on their sport, and that's fine because most of the athletes we recruit at this level aren't here for school anyway.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 12:12 pm to PubeCrab
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Bagmen need to convert to Crypto stat
That’s more trackable than Bengamins.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 3:30 pm to jangalang
#2 Jerseys are Auburn Property, no money to the player.. #2 Jerseys with Newton on the back brings in Name (Name, Image and Likeness).
More like, can Yellow Fella have players do Yellow Wood Commercials? Can XXX give players Mercedes to support his dealership? Can we give fee housing to players to support The Standard? Free Booze at Sky Bar? etc.
More like, can Yellow Fella have players do Yellow Wood Commercials? Can XXX give players Mercedes to support his dealership? Can we give fee housing to players to support The Standard? Free Booze at Sky Bar? etc.
Posted on 6/29/21 at 4:38 pm to awestruck
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Just my opinion that they are already being paid what the rest of society would love to be get.
The rest of society don't have skills/talents that are the foundation of a multi billion $ industry.
When Jay Jacobs is receiving $540,000 per year for life in retirement salary, it is extremely hard to believe someone like Cam Newton or Nick Marshall deserved $0 for the revenue generated from them helping win games.
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Again just my thoughts but there’s also no way the majority of schools will be able to match
For every $1mil, all 85 scholarship FB players would receive ~$11,750.
Hard to believe schools can't piece together a few $mil when the top 60 CFB coach salaries are $2mil+
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the power elite on a cash basis
They already don't compete with facilities, recruiting budgets, amenities, assistant coaching budgets, support staffs and all the other items that help
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so good bye to football as we know it.
Good, it absolutely sucks right now to watch 4 cupcake home games a year.
Take P5 + some select others and make a better system.
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