re: Gov. Ivey's Stay-At-Home Order

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Three people die daily on the roads and interstates in Alabama (over 1000 people every year). You ever remember them shutting down the roads because of that? Nope.

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w.o.w..

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The math on this “pandemic” unravels daily. The models they used were flawed and haven’t accurately predicted anything. At some point, people are going to realize that roughly 50% of all the cases are from two locations and get along with their lives.

How in the frick do you shut down an entire state because (40) people die in the course of two months? It’s insane.

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You just don't get it do you? Do you not read or hear Dr. Fauci's explanation?

It's not the deaths..its the CASES. We have over 2,000 cases. And how many tested. The key is not letting those 2,000 multiply our deaths. And the only way to do that is with quarantines and stay home directives.

I and many of my peers in my age range(over 60) are the most vulnerable, and lately it has hit even the middle aged group.

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The math on this “pandemic” unravels daily. The models they used were flawed and haven’t accurately predicted anything. At some point, people are going to realize that roughly 50% of all the cases are from two locations and get along with their lives. How in the frick do you shut down an entire state because (40) people die in the course of two months? It’s insane.

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Because, those 40 people could become 40,000 if we continued to live like we had been. Look at what’s going on in New York. They have more cases than any one country in the world. Look at Miami county- the spring break party capital. They have 6 times more cases than our entire state. Shutting things down now was the play. Right now, of the 381,000 or so cases that have reached a resolution, Recovered or dying, this thing has a 21% death rate. Now, there are still 1.1 million cases ongoing. Apply that 21% to that number. Now, take 21% of our population if we didn’t shelter in place.

We were slated to have the highest death rate per capita in the country, until we shut the state down. Now, the prediction is much lower.

This is a bad death too. You basically suffocate because your lungs are slowly turned into concrete.

I’m sorry that this has affected your business. Maybe you will qualify for a stimulus loan.

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I'm not letting you leave the house because you might infect someone else or yourself thus killing them or you and overwhelming our medical system. (53 dead in two months)

I'm not letting you leave the house because you might hit someone else or yourself thus killing them or you and overwhelming our medical system. (180 dead in two months on average)

It's the exact same argument.

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It's not even close. If the quarantine wasn't in place, that 53 would grow exponentially. It's low because people are actually starting to pay attention and stay at home so they can actually manage it at hospitals.

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I can easily see another administration using similar scientific based arguments for more draconian measures. The Green New Deal is one that I can see being implemented in the same fashion. After all, 90% of all scientist agree so we have to do it to stop climate change!

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You do realize the federal govt has not put forth any mandates on this, right? It's all up to the states. Now, the mixed messages from this administration haven't helped, but any stay at home directive is all coming from state or local government bodies.

You guys have totally derailed my shite on Gus thread...

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It's not even close. If the quarantine wasn't in place, that 53 would grow exponentially. It's low because people are actually starting to pay attention and stay at home so they can actually manage it at hospitals.

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You've assumed something here. You've assumed that this couldn't have been done voluntarily. That people are too stupid to make their own decisions and need to be forced into action.

So, lets compare what Arkansas did to what we've done and look at their results to ours:

AR: 930 cases with 16 dead. Total population: 3.0 million people.
AL: 2009 cases with 53 dead. Total population: 4.9 million people.

Alabama: Total lock down.
Arkansas:

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For Arkansas Gov. Asa Hutchinson, his targeted actions to slow the virus are intended to protect the thousands of people who would otherwise lose their jobs, including employees at clothing stores that have remained open.

“People are making their own decision to stay home, and that’s exactly what they should be doing, unless there’s an absolute necessity to get out,” Hutchinson said last week.

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I'm amazed at the level of trust the gov't gets in an "emergency". I'm amazed at the willingness of people to give up their liberties for what they perceive as security.

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I go out and crash my car on 85, three other people don't get in a crash too. Not a very good comparison.

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They do down here on 75 & 95 in Florida...Sometimes on the other side of the road because they were looking at the accident on the other side and get rear ended...just sayin...

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I and many of my peers in my age range(over 60) are the most vulnerable, and lately it has hit even the middle aged group.

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I am near your that age bracket. Most of your age are vulnerable if you have underlying conditions. Many of your age group have had it and didn't have a problem with it or had it and didn't know it. People with underlying conditions are the ones that will have a problem with this. The media is drumming up stuff like saying the baby in Baton Rouge died due to COVID which is misleading. She was premature at 22 weeks but NBC ran with it like she contracted it but that wasn't the case. Babies born younger than 22 weeks have virtually no chance of survival. Babies born between 22 and 26 weeks will need lots of medical attention and have a high risk of permanent disability if they do survive.

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You've missed the point.

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No I was just ranting about a different point.

I agree with your principle about civil liberties and am mad about it. I disagree that all climate change is man made as they want to only point to single causal factors in their research but they have yet to explain the little ice age or the central warming of Europe back in the day or why Antarctica was at one point not covered in ice and those were caused by man? I am old enough to remember when they were claiming global cooling. I just say follow the money and you will see why they are doing it.

I believe that the current crisis is overblown by the media and some powers that be trying to mandate things that they want to do in some areas that are totally unrelated to the stay at home orders...should people who have underlying conditions take precautions? Sure but to put the economy on hold is another thing. THis should be stopped by 1 May in most areas but I still people gathering and spreading the virus so there is that but they may not know they have it...

I've hear ya big boy, this ain't nothing new, we've been dealing with deadly stuff all our lives and managed to do ok. Go out there and get you some. Don't just talk about it, prove us all wet behind the ears.

I'm sure your right. . . and if not you'll just be helping natural selection get one of the right ones.