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re: Can Harsin fix Nix or does he look for a transfer?
Posted on 1/3/21 at 11:20 am to Fear The Thumb
Posted on 1/3/21 at 11:20 am to Fear The Thumb
Nix came SO close to hitting that evasive 60% passing mark for the season. Something he has never done in his career, high school or college. He passed for 59.9% this season.
And all you people who have NO IDEA what Harsins offense is... YouTube is your friend. You can watch his offenses throughout his career.
Here is a breakdown of a game during his time as OC of Texas.
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Here is a video of every touchdown Boise State made in 2019.
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There are some things you can take from this...
Harsin has a similar offense to Gus. It looks a lot like what the Malzahn offense would have looked like had he actually evolved it. For those if you (myself included) who are no fan of the wildcat and hope to see it gone, Harsin still runs the wildcat.
Think about Arkansas State. Art Briles, Hugh Freeze, Gus Malzahn, and Bryan Harsin all use a similar offense. Of course it isnt the same offense but you can see the similarities.
Also of note my brother lives in Boise. His wife graduated from BSU. Apparently the last few classes Harsin has had a difficult time signing good OLs. So much so that the last couple of years Boise has had a couple DL playing on the OL. That sounds familiar. Im hoping its just his OL coach. The current OL coach has only had a few recruiting classes at Boise. His previous OL coach is now the OL coach at Washington.
And all you people who have NO IDEA what Harsins offense is... YouTube is your friend. You can watch his offenses throughout his career.
Here is a breakdown of a game during his time as OC of Texas.
LINK
Here is a video of every touchdown Boise State made in 2019.
LINK
There are some things you can take from this...
Harsin has a similar offense to Gus. It looks a lot like what the Malzahn offense would have looked like had he actually evolved it. For those if you (myself included) who are no fan of the wildcat and hope to see it gone, Harsin still runs the wildcat.
Think about Arkansas State. Art Briles, Hugh Freeze, Gus Malzahn, and Bryan Harsin all use a similar offense. Of course it isnt the same offense but you can see the similarities.
Also of note my brother lives in Boise. His wife graduated from BSU. Apparently the last few classes Harsin has had a difficult time signing good OLs. So much so that the last couple of years Boise has had a couple DL playing on the OL. That sounds familiar. Im hoping its just his OL coach. The current OL coach has only had a few recruiting classes at Boise. His previous OL coach is now the OL coach at Washington.
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Posted on 1/3/21 at 11:20 am to SECdragonmaster
Bo Nix plays like a kid who's been given the green light to do whatever he wants to do his entire life. The whole "coach's son" thing is a double edged sword: sometimes that produces a player who is hyper studious, focused, well prepared...and other times it produces a spoiled player who has never been told "no".
I'm not sure if he can be "fixed"; but what he is right now is not the answer. At the minimum there needs to be a real option transferred in with a full-on QB competition this offseason.
I'm not sure if he can be "fixed"; but what he is right now is not the answer. At the minimum there needs to be a real option transferred in with a full-on QB competition this offseason.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 11:27 am to Etowah
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The talent or lack of talent has nothing to do with his terrible mechanics.
You don't think facing pressure immediately upon receiving the ball on most of his snaps are a reason he bails early and throws off his back foot a lot? I don't know if Nix is the answer or not but there isn't a quarterback in the country who would have had success in his position the last two years.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 11:41 am to RandySavage
He's not "facing pressure immediately upon receiving the ball on most of his snaps"; thats bullshite. The OL has not been good, but his problems persist regardless of what protection he has. He has poor pocket presence, which is difficult if not impossible to "teach", especially once a guy is shell-shocked.
There are a lot of problems here. However, what makes me question what his "upside" even is has been his average AT BEST feel for throwing the football. He's not very accurate which is a poor sign, and his timing isn't any better.
There are a lot of problems here. However, what makes me question what his "upside" even is has been his average AT BEST feel for throwing the football. He's not very accurate which is a poor sign, and his timing isn't any better.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 11:56 am to metafour
Nix turns 21 next month. He is entering into his 3rd season. If he was struggling with processing complex passing schemes, then I would agree he could improve with coaching. Bo struggles with basic fundamentals that he alone could improve with practice. Throwing off of his back leg is a prime example. We need a legit transfer to come in. At a minimum, he would make him work in the off season on basic fundamentals.
This post was edited on 1/3/21 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:15 pm to Fear The Thumb
We will have to see now won’t we.
Kid has talent. Can he learn some footwork and pocket presence. I hope so. There is no one in the portal I think would be an upgrade. I watched a Bentley this season and he just isn’t that good. Decent at best.
Kid has talent. Can he learn some footwork and pocket presence. I hope so. There is no one in the portal I think would be an upgrade. I watched a Bentley this season and he just isn’t that good. Decent at best.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:20 pm to auburn2eugene
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Also of note my brother lives in Boise. His wife graduated from BSU. Apparently the last few classes Harsin has had a difficult time signing good OLs. So much so that the last couple of years Boise has had a couple DL playing on the OL.
oh boy....
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:26 pm to RockyMtnTigerWDE
Agreed Rocky. Bo has all the talent needed. He needs WRs that can get separation early and late in routes. He does bail early sometimes but not always. He isn't very good on check downs, forces to the intended target to much, and needs to calm down when things are going wrong. He panics. His mechanics will be corrected if he is able to stay in the pocket. He reminds me of Favre when he was at Southern Miss. Gunslinger attitude. Bo's doesn't have the same arm strength Favre had but a similar attitude.
Bottom line is the offense needs an overhaul. WRs that are explosive in and out of breaks and routes, OL that maul in the run game and at least be decent in pass pro. If those 2 can happen I can see the O averaging around 38 points a game. Not dynamic but at least consistent.
Bottom line is the offense needs an overhaul. WRs that are explosive in and out of breaks and routes, OL that maul in the run game and at least be decent in pass pro. If those 2 can happen I can see the O averaging around 38 points a game. Not dynamic but at least consistent.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:43 pm to metafour
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He's not "facing pressure immediately upon receiving the ball on most of his snaps"; thats bullshite. The OL has not been good, but his problems persist regardless of what protection he has. He has poor pocket presence,
Agreed. He has faced his share of pressure, but there have been numerous times where he's bailed on clean pockets or thrown off his back foot instead of climbing the pocket and stepping into his throws.
Now whether it's due to bad coaching or him not being receptive to the coaching he does get is a mystery to me. But something isn't working. The rare moments when he does step up and step into throws, he is pretty sharp on short and intermediate throws. He's awful on the deep ball as it just seems he throws it as hard and far as he can with no touch most of the time with absolutely zero touch.
This post was edited on 1/3/21 at 12:46 pm
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:51 pm to CorchJay
I'm still waiting for someone to give me an actual description of what his supposedly obvious "talent" is. Stating that "he has all the talent" requires an actual explanation, when said player is in fact actually NOT displaying "all the talent".
From my objective analysis, he has obvious talent in terms of escapability, and running once plays break down. He also does have talent in terms of making plays once things break down (but it also comes with him forcing things which have at times led to absolutely abysmal decision making).
That's about it for traits that I would consider to be clearly PLUS "tools". Everything else he does is no different from what any average NCAA quarterback displays game in and game out. How many times this season has Bo Nix looked clearly more talented than the opposing team's quarterback? We played Georgia early this season with their walk-on QB who made throws that looked no less impressive than your average Bo Nix pass attempt. That kid from Northwestern looked as talented as Nix does in terms of actually throwing the football.
We have a QB with average talent and below average mechanics and decision making. His best plays seem to happen when things go terribly wrong and havoc is created.
I think that a lot of you need to be honest with yourselves. If this kid's name was anything else - we wouldn't still be here talking about all of this phantom "talent" he possesses but seemingly never displays.
From my objective analysis, he has obvious talent in terms of escapability, and running once plays break down. He also does have talent in terms of making plays once things break down (but it also comes with him forcing things which have at times led to absolutely abysmal decision making).
That's about it for traits that I would consider to be clearly PLUS "tools". Everything else he does is no different from what any average NCAA quarterback displays game in and game out. How many times this season has Bo Nix looked clearly more talented than the opposing team's quarterback? We played Georgia early this season with their walk-on QB who made throws that looked no less impressive than your average Bo Nix pass attempt. That kid from Northwestern looked as talented as Nix does in terms of actually throwing the football.
We have a QB with average talent and below average mechanics and decision making. His best plays seem to happen when things go terribly wrong and havoc is created.
I think that a lot of you need to be honest with yourselves. If this kid's name was anything else - we wouldn't still be here talking about all of this phantom "talent" he possesses but seemingly never displays.
This post was edited on 1/3/21 at 12:53 pm
Posted on 1/3/21 at 1:17 pm to metafour
Talent = NFL size, build and height. Above average speed even for NFL QBs. Arm strength would be middle of the pack in the NFL. Protects the football even amid chaos going on around him. From the waist up he's a very special when it comes to arm talent, competitiveness, and savvy... possibly football IQ as well.
Most people that know football think if you can keep him in the pocket and get him standing tall in the pocket and delivering the football from a solid base his accuracy will skyrocket because his arm motion is very good. Not to long and not to short. Trask is the complete opposite. Not athletic, short arm motion (low velocity) but throws an accurate ball but in the NFL if he is a starter is probably one of 20 TD 20 INT per season kind of guy.
Most people that know football think if you can keep him in the pocket and get him standing tall in the pocket and delivering the football from a solid base his accuracy will skyrocket because his arm motion is very good. Not to long and not to short. Trask is the complete opposite. Not athletic, short arm motion (low velocity) but throws an accurate ball but in the NFL if he is a starter is probably one of 20 TD 20 INT per season kind of guy.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 1:38 pm to CorchJay
He is listed at 6'2" 215#. Not elite NFL QB size. Horrible mid to deep accuracy. Roughly the same size as Nick Marshall with less speed and arm strength.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 1:44 pm to CorchJay
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Talent = NFL size, build and height. Above average speed even for NFL QBs. Arm strength would be middle of the pack in the NFL. Protects the football even amid chaos going on around him. From the waist up he's a very special when it comes to arm talent, competitiveness, and savvy... possibly football IQ as well.
Most people that know football think if you can keep him in the pocket and get him standing tall in the pocket and delivering the football from a solid base his accuracy will skyrocket because his arm motion is very good. Not to long and not to short. Trask is the complete opposite. Not athletic, short arm motion (low velocity) but throws an accurate ball but in the NFL if he is a starter is probably one of 20 TD 20 INT per season kind of guy.
I'm sorry, but you must not watch much football.
His size is average at best and his arm is average at best. He's listed at 6'2 213 which means he's probably closer to 6'1 and change. That's okay, but hardly what anyone would describe as an "NFL build". That would put him in the lower half of NFL quarterbacks in terms of measurables. Above average speed? Okay, sure - but that's an entirely secondary trait and you would expect a smaller QB to be able to run faster.
The part about him being "very special" in terms of arm talent is absolutely absurd. The only way you could possibly think that is if you watch no one other than Auburn play. In one game against Clemson Justin Fields made more "WOW" throws than Bo Nix has in his entire two seasons here. Like I just said, I can watch several games in which complete no-name QB's look no different in terms of ARM TALENT than the guy you're over here telling me is "special" LMAO. Special HOW? His accuracy on balls thrown down field is empirically bad. As in there are statistics to prove how bad he has been (in case the eye test has failed you - or have you been asleep on all of those badly overthrown passes he's attempted?).
It is absolutely comical to proclaim that minor mechanical fixes are the missing key to unlocking some God-level talent in him.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 1:53 pm to slacker130
quote:I don’t see where any comment was deleted in my side.
Uhh....Why was my comment deleted? It was the 3rd comment in the thread.
Nothing I said was bad.
It was along the lines of-
I hope Harsin can fix Bo, but the more I see him play, the more I'm losing hope.
Suck it mods.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 1:58 pm to metafour
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Sure, he is a true freshman starter at a blue blood SEC program, but there really isn't much on the field that suggests Nix is going to flip the switch to being a top prospect. Particularly, Nix's accuracy is questionable: 48.1% of his passes 10-plus yards downfield were deemed uncatchable — a figure that ranked 96th out of 104 qualifying QBs.
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Nix may have won SEC Freshman of the Year, but he really didn’t play like it. When kept clean, Nix earned a 69.2 passing grade, which ranked 107th among 130 FBS quarterbacks. As said in the PFF College Magazine, he struggled to move the ball on schemed plays and has suspect downfield accuracy. Nix may have been a five-star recruit and the No. 1-ranked dual-threat quarterback coming out of high school, but we just haven’t seen enough from him to make us believe he will ever live up to that hype.
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The SEC Freshman of the Year was certainly not in the running to win such an award from us at PFF, as Nix continually didn’t grade well all season long, finishing with 18 turnover-worthy passes (T-28th) to just 17 big-time throws (T-47th). His highlight-reel plays were something, but he was far too often inaccurate with the ball, throwing an uncatchable, inaccurate pass on 26.5% of his throws. He finished as just the 105th-ranked quarterback in passing grade while his 63.0% completion percentage from a clean pocket ranked just 128th. He did some things well, however, as he was rather sharp on throws across the middle of the field, seeing an 81.5 passing grade and completing 93-of-133 passes for 1,036 yards and eight scores on throws targeted between the numbers last season.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 2:06 pm to metafour
I’d just like to see what he could do with at least adequate OL play and something more than high school play calling.... the play calling will get better, but sadly he’s probably never gonna get above average OL protection.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 2:09 pm to metafour
I'm not sure why people ask for opinions and then disagree with the opinions given. State you opinion and leave it at that.
Bo Nix will be an NFL QB. He will be drafted in the 1st round unless he gets some kind of serious injury. That's my opinion. I will stick with it until proven right or proven wrong.
You've seen my predictions on other players on the team and where I think they will be drafted this year. So we will see how they turn out.
When I'm wrong then come back and tell me how wrong I am.
Bo Nix will be an NFL QB. He will be drafted in the 1st round unless he gets some kind of serious injury. That's my opinion. I will stick with it until proven right or proven wrong.
You've seen my predictions on other players on the team and where I think they will be drafted this year. So we will see how they turn out.
When I'm wrong then come back and tell me how wrong I am.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 2:13 pm to CorchJay
Coach, I will have to say I disagree with you on this one. I don’t see Nix playing in the NFL and I certainly don’t see him being a first rounder.
I hope I am wrong but I just don’t see it.
I hope I am wrong but I just don’t see it.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 2:29 pm to CorchJay
I will admit there will come a time in his college career that he will have to show he has the guts to stand in on 3rd down and throw an accurate ball when about to get smashed in the face by a blitz. It's a trait that all very good Qbs have to learn. I guess the best example of that progression in an Auburn QB would be Jason Campbell. His last season he finally learned to stand tall in the pocket and throw the strike on 3rd downs. Same will have to happen for Bo.
But those that are saying average this and average that. Bo is way above average on speed and quickness. In college has a very strong arm. (By NFL standards his velocity will be middle of the pack).
Everything hinges on Bo's base. From the ground up. Just like a pitcher. If you are off balance or to open or to closed on delivery you are going to be less accurate.
Another thing that will help Bo and hopefully Coach Harsin can bring it out is throwing with anticipation.
A QB similar to Bo this year is Sam Ehlinger. Bo has much better velocity and throwing motion. Bo is faster running and more elusive. I expect Sam to go in the late 3rd to mid 4th round.
But those that are saying average this and average that. Bo is way above average on speed and quickness. In college has a very strong arm. (By NFL standards his velocity will be middle of the pack).
Everything hinges on Bo's base. From the ground up. Just like a pitcher. If you are off balance or to open or to closed on delivery you are going to be less accurate.
Another thing that will help Bo and hopefully Coach Harsin can bring it out is throwing with anticipation.
A QB similar to Bo this year is Sam Ehlinger. Bo has much better velocity and throwing motion. Bo is faster running and more elusive. I expect Sam to go in the late 3rd to mid 4th round.
Posted on 1/3/21 at 2:31 pm to LanierSpots
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I'm sorry, but you must not watch much football.
In many ways, I feel sorry for you. Based on what I've seen written by Corch ... I'm willing to bet he's seen a lot more football from every angle than you can hope to ever see.
It's impossible to compare QB's that play behind a reliable line, with well trained and gifted receivers to what Auburn has fielded in the past two years. Both years being the total NCAA experience of Bo Nix. That in turn means ...the stats on Bo are based on what product Auburn has put of the field.
Put Bo in a Bama, Clemson or Georgia helmet and let's see how he compares after a year. I believe his stats improve significantly. No one gives a player five stars ... Daddy doesn't buy them for you ...you earn it. In Bo, there is talent under that hood. The question becomes ....can he rise above the mess the Coaching Staff previously at Auburn, left behind?
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