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re: Can Harsin fix Nix or does he look for a transfer?
Posted on 1/4/21 at 11:53 am to FearlessFreep
Posted on 1/4/21 at 11:53 am to FearlessFreep
This will be my last response in this thread but outside of Stidham having a slightly better OL. Which would you chose?
2017
NCM
Kyle Davis (left team)
Ryan Davis
Sal Cannela
Darrius Slayton
Will Hastings
Eli Stove
2020
Seth
Schwartz
Stove
Jackson
Shenker
Which group you taking?
Biggest difference is Bo is a leader. Stidham was player. Bo plays with his hair on fire. Stidham was careless with the football and would come off the field smiling when making a stupid bonehead play.
I like all opinions don't agree with all opinions but I do like the discussion.
2017
NCM
Kyle Davis (left team)
Ryan Davis
Sal Cannela
Darrius Slayton
Will Hastings
Eli Stove
2020
Seth
Schwartz
Stove
Jackson
Shenker
Which group you taking?
Biggest difference is Bo is a leader. Stidham was player. Bo plays with his hair on fire. Stidham was careless with the football and would come off the field smiling when making a stupid bonehead play.
I like all opinions don't agree with all opinions but I do like the discussion.
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Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:11 pm to Rhino5
My problem with Bo is even when he does have a clean pocket he doesn't make good throws and he throws off his back foot. I don't know how Harsin doesn't hit the transfer market and at least find some competition for Bo. If Bo loses the competition then he loses and if he wins then he wins. Just as long as he earned the starting job.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:23 pm to CorchJay
Uhm, I would rather have that 2020 group that features two receivers who are likely to be drafted (Seth and Schwartz) vs. just Slayton in 2017. Is that even a serious question? NCM and Kyle Davis did basically nothing at Auburn. Either way, the talent different there is negligible. Are we arguing that 150 pound Will Hastings was a difference maker?
The second part about "leadership" is where I KNOW you guys are just looking at the last name and making up your own conclusion. What has Bo Nix actually led this team to?? This offense has been below average in both of the seasons he has been here. It was COMPLETELY dysfunctional this season. He doesn't even look that well-liked by the team and earlier in this season got into a pissing match with his best receiver. He also got into it with the OC on the sideline. I've seen MULTIPLE people state that they notice Nix sitting alone on the sideline and getting very little congratulation from his teammates when he actually does make a play. Playing with your hair on fire doesn't make you a leader; if anything I'm sure his teammates were pretty frustrated watching him try to do his own thing like Manziel on every other play. You think that Stidham was "careless with the football" and yet I've literally seen Bo Nix just blindly throw the ball up into the air on multiple occasions as he was being tackled outside the pocket. In the Northwestern game he tried to hurdle a guy standing straight up. In every game this season he has at least one play that qualifies as trying to do way too much which leads to an incredibly dangerous decision, so it sounds to me like you're watching one guy with a completely different set of glasses LMAO. If he was such a natural leader, how does Alec Jackson go into the Bowl game and make like 3 false start penalties?? You're literally over here telling me that because the QB runs around like an idiot and takes hits and "plays hard", that this makes him a "leader". Its the most basic analysis of "leadership" possible. What, because Stidham smiles it means that he's not a leader?
The entirety of Bo Nix's career here can be summed up by one thing: giving a kid uncredited praise for things that he actually hasn't earned at all on the field. Oh he's an A++ football leader - nevermind the fact that the offense under him looks completely broken and discombobulated and the coach was fired as a result of it. Oh he has "elite arm talent" - nevermind the fact that he struggles to complete passes at every level of the field, and literally had a whopping 12 touchdown passes this season LMAO. He literally has 28 touchdown passes in 24 games played. That is as pedestrian as it gets.
The second part about "leadership" is where I KNOW you guys are just looking at the last name and making up your own conclusion. What has Bo Nix actually led this team to?? This offense has been below average in both of the seasons he has been here. It was COMPLETELY dysfunctional this season. He doesn't even look that well-liked by the team and earlier in this season got into a pissing match with his best receiver. He also got into it with the OC on the sideline. I've seen MULTIPLE people state that they notice Nix sitting alone on the sideline and getting very little congratulation from his teammates when he actually does make a play. Playing with your hair on fire doesn't make you a leader; if anything I'm sure his teammates were pretty frustrated watching him try to do his own thing like Manziel on every other play. You think that Stidham was "careless with the football" and yet I've literally seen Bo Nix just blindly throw the ball up into the air on multiple occasions as he was being tackled outside the pocket. In the Northwestern game he tried to hurdle a guy standing straight up. In every game this season he has at least one play that qualifies as trying to do way too much which leads to an incredibly dangerous decision, so it sounds to me like you're watching one guy with a completely different set of glasses LMAO. If he was such a natural leader, how does Alec Jackson go into the Bowl game and make like 3 false start penalties?? You're literally over here telling me that because the QB runs around like an idiot and takes hits and "plays hard", that this makes him a "leader". Its the most basic analysis of "leadership" possible. What, because Stidham smiles it means that he's not a leader?
The entirety of Bo Nix's career here can be summed up by one thing: giving a kid uncredited praise for things that he actually hasn't earned at all on the field. Oh he's an A++ football leader - nevermind the fact that the offense under him looks completely broken and discombobulated and the coach was fired as a result of it. Oh he has "elite arm talent" - nevermind the fact that he struggles to complete passes at every level of the field, and literally had a whopping 12 touchdown passes this season LMAO. He literally has 28 touchdown passes in 24 games played. That is as pedestrian as it gets.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:55 pm to metafour
Also, a fun look at the numbers:
Sean White as a Sophomore in 2016:
63.9% completion percentage, 8.1 yards per attempt, 8.3 adjusted yards per attempt, 143.1 pass efficiency rating.
9 touchdown passes to 3 interceptions
4.33 TD/Attempt % (9 touchdowns in 208 attempts)
Bo Nix as a Sophomore in 2020:
59.9% completion percentage, 6.8 yards per attempt, 6.6 adjusted yards per attempt, 123.9 pass efficiency rating.
12 touchdown passes to 7 interceptions
3.36 TD/Attempt % (12 touchdowns in 357 attempts)
Bo Nix is literally less productive than Sean White was, and his receiving core is definitely better. White played with the same shitty OL pass blocking. White also played hard as hell and took an absolute beating, and I don't remember anyone giving him a free pass for anything because of that reason. I also don't remember anyone ball-washing Sean White about being a 1st round draft pick after that season, and it can be argued that White had all of the same "talent" as he in fact beat out Desean Watson for the MVP award at the Elite 11.
This is where the nepotism with Bo Nix is so obviously apparent. He is as big if not a bigger failure (to date) than the guys who failed before him, and yet he seemingly gets an infinite leash. He even gets less flack for some of the exact same flaws that the other guys showed, for example Stidham overthrowing open deep passes - which Bo Nix does just as often but with less scrutiny. Despite the fact that Stidham actually made considerably more plays, produced a considerably better offense, and actually won more games.
Sean White as a Sophomore in 2016:
63.9% completion percentage, 8.1 yards per attempt, 8.3 adjusted yards per attempt, 143.1 pass efficiency rating.
9 touchdown passes to 3 interceptions
4.33 TD/Attempt % (9 touchdowns in 208 attempts)
Bo Nix as a Sophomore in 2020:
59.9% completion percentage, 6.8 yards per attempt, 6.6 adjusted yards per attempt, 123.9 pass efficiency rating.
12 touchdown passes to 7 interceptions
3.36 TD/Attempt % (12 touchdowns in 357 attempts)
Bo Nix is literally less productive than Sean White was, and his receiving core is definitely better. White played with the same shitty OL pass blocking. White also played hard as hell and took an absolute beating, and I don't remember anyone giving him a free pass for anything because of that reason. I also don't remember anyone ball-washing Sean White about being a 1st round draft pick after that season, and it can be argued that White had all of the same "talent" as he in fact beat out Desean Watson for the MVP award at the Elite 11.
This is where the nepotism with Bo Nix is so obviously apparent. He is as big if not a bigger failure (to date) than the guys who failed before him, and yet he seemingly gets an infinite leash. He even gets less flack for some of the exact same flaws that the other guys showed, for example Stidham overthrowing open deep passes - which Bo Nix does just as often but with less scrutiny. Despite the fact that Stidham actually made considerably more plays, produced a considerably better offense, and actually won more games.
This post was edited on 1/4/21 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 1/4/21 at 12:57 pm to metafour
How do you people keep forgetting that this season was an all P5 schedule without 3 games to pad the stats?
Stidham, 2018 vs P5:
61% completion percentage
226 YPG passing
2.2 YPG rushing
1.4 Total TD per game
61 pass attempts per interception
Nix, 2020
60% completion percentage
220 YPG passing
35 YPG rushing
1.7 Total TD per game
51 pass attempts per interception
It's a broken system and has been for quite some time. It's not designed to make any QB look good.
Stidham was a more accurate passer but took wayyyy too many sacks.
I do agree that Nix doesn't seem like a guy the NFL would be very interested in even if he does make some improvements at the margins.. but I do think he can be a very good college QB in a system that isn't broken.
Stidham, 2018 vs P5:
61% completion percentage
226 YPG passing
2.2 YPG rushing
1.4 Total TD per game
61 pass attempts per interception
Nix, 2020
60% completion percentage
220 YPG passing
35 YPG rushing
1.7 Total TD per game
51 pass attempts per interception
It's a broken system and has been for quite some time. It's not designed to make any QB look good.
Stidham was a more accurate passer but took wayyyy too many sacks.
I do agree that Nix doesn't seem like a guy the NFL would be very interested in even if he does make some improvements at the margins.. but I do think he can be a very good college QB in a system that isn't broken.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 1:08 pm to auburnnyc94
You think North Carolina would have padded Nixs stats?
Posted on 1/4/21 at 1:15 pm to AUCE05
No, he would have probably thrown for around 180-240 yards,
ran for 20-50, and then padded his stats against Alcorn State, Southern Miss, and UMass as I was clearly implying when I said "three games to pad the stats."
ran for 20-50, and then padded his stats against Alcorn State, Southern Miss, and UMass as I was clearly implying when I said "three games to pad the stats."
This post was edited on 1/4/21 at 1:17 pm
Posted on 1/4/21 at 1:23 pm to auburnnyc94
Even last season, he wasn't "padding" his stats much vs. our cupcake opponents:
Tulane:
19 for 37 (51.4%) for 207 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Kent State:
12 for 16 (75.0%) for 161 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Samford:
15 for 23 (65.2%) for 150 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT.
Under Gus, cupcake games typically just meant padding the rushing stats. In those three games; Nix's combined passing is 46 for 76 (60.5%)...so even against garbage competition he wasn't setting the world on fire.
Tulane:
19 for 37 (51.4%) for 207 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Kent State:
12 for 16 (75.0%) for 161 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT
Samford:
15 for 23 (65.2%) for 150 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT.
Under Gus, cupcake games typically just meant padding the rushing stats. In those three games; Nix's combined passing is 46 for 76 (60.5%)...so even against garbage competition he wasn't setting the world on fire.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 1:24 pm to metafour
Maybe maybe not.. but the P5 stats tell the story with or without the cupcake games.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 2:11 pm to auburnnyc94
Fix the line, then we can discuss Bo
2020 Offensive Line Blue Chip Ratio:
•Alabama: 86%
•OU: 80%
•ND: 79%
•UGA: 69%
•OSU: 67%
•Texas: 67%
•UM: 64%
•UW: 53%
•Clemson: 47%
•LSU: 46%
•Florida: 38%
•PSU: 38%
•A&M: 38%
•USC: 38%
•Auburn: 20%
2020 Offensive Line Blue Chip Ratio:
•Alabama: 86%
•OU: 80%
•ND: 79%
•UGA: 69%
•OSU: 67%
•Texas: 67%
•UM: 64%
•UW: 53%
•Clemson: 47%
•LSU: 46%
•Florida: 38%
•PSU: 38%
•A&M: 38%
•USC: 38%
•Auburn: 20%
Posted on 1/4/21 at 2:28 pm to allin2010
quote:
Fix the line, then we can discuss Bo
2020 Offensive Line Blue Chip Ratio:
•Alabama: 86%
•OU: 80%
•ND: 79%
•UGA: 69%
•OSU: 67%
•Texas: 67%
•UM: 64%
•UW: 53%
•Clemson: 47%
•LSU: 46%
•Florida: 38%
•PSU: 38%
•A&M: 38%
•USC: 38%
•Auburn: 20%
Exactly. And this has basically been the case since Stidham's last year.
Part of the reason Bo bails so early when he DOES have a clean pocket is because he doesn't trust that pocket to be there.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 2:35 pm to auburnnyc94
What injuries does Troxell have?
I’m not sure he will finish his college time.
Brahms was a 4 star?
Jackson and Hamm: were they both defensive linemen?
It has been tough.
I’m not sure he will finish his college time.
Brahms was a 4 star?
Jackson and Hamm: were they both defensive linemen?
It has been tough.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 3:16 pm to makersmark1
I know he blew out ACL 2x. Not sure what has plagued him this year though.
Posted on 1/4/21 at 3:19 pm to Fear The Thumb
If Bo does not have real talent, then a bunch of recruiters around the country totally whiffed on him. Didn't he have offers from Alabama, Ohio State, etc?
Posted on 1/4/21 at 3:24 pm to Awesome Dave
Bo has real talent. Bo's problem is that he has been coached by high school coaches for two now ....
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