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Posted on 8/10/22 at 6:35 pm to JamalSanders
Posted on 8/10/22 at 6:35 pm to JamalSanders
Agreed! If the powers that be pony up millions of $$$ to fire Harsin before his contract ends but are not willing to pony up millions for NIL, then they are the real problem keeping AU down.
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Posted on 8/10/22 at 7:26 pm to JamalSanders
quote:Less than ideal recruiting class, little booster support, losing record, bad recruiting class.. and you think its likely that he's back without having to win 8 games? I have no idea how anyone could think that.
Short of the team imploding or video of harsin with a dead girl or live boy, harsin is back next year.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 7:44 pm to jt33
quote:Fired Gus, immediately tried to fire Harsin in 1st year, and then did the next... that would be JABA three times in three years. The money to draw any top tier coach would be astronomical, the bad press for a generation, and with just a chance for better. Because his journey's truly still up in the air.
I have no idea
Posted on 8/10/22 at 7:44 pm to JamalSanders
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Short of the team imploding or video of harsin with a dead girl or live boy, harsin is back next year.
I would like to think this is true
Posted on 8/10/22 at 7:53 pm to BigBlueAU
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If the powers that be pony up millions of $$$ to fire Harsin before his contract ends but are not willing to pony up millions for NIL, then they are the real problem keeping AU down.
The PTB might just think Harsin isn’t worth ponying up the money for recruits
Posted on 8/10/22 at 8:44 pm to JamalSanders
What is your definition of imploding?
Posted on 8/10/22 at 9:53 pm to BigBlueAU
Y’all act like we don’t love buying people out. Maybe the PTB were on to something.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 11:18 pm to 2010champs
Oh we know the PTB love it. But they better start loving to buy players or were on our way to becoming Vandy of the SEC West.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 10:08 am to AUCE05
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am not pumping Harsin. Just looking for some positives and living in reality.
I mean not pumping necessarily but looking for positives and not pointing out negatives is in a sense sort of pumping.
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If you look at his recruiting strategy, it mimics Mack Browns and CPs which he came from. They did their own evaluations. Those thinking Harsin will change to be a recruiting juggernaut like Saban/Kirby will be disappointed.
If it works, it works. I don’t care how he does it. But do you realize how insanely good you’d have to be to find enough diamonds in the rough to compete with Bama/UGAs recruiting? Not a great strategy to use.
No one is expecting him to be Saban/Kirby in recruiting. But there’s a WIDE gap between what he’s doing and them. I mean we’re not even close to recruiting we’re used to under Chizik/Gus.
We finished #21 last year. #19 the year before. He’s got to find a way to get better than that even if he’s finding gems.
This post was edited on 8/11/22 at 10:12 am
Posted on 8/11/22 at 11:17 am to Weagle25
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If it works, it works. I don’t care how he does it. But do you realize how insanely good you’d have to be to find enough diamonds in the rough to compete with Bama/UGAs recruiting? Not a great strategy to use.
I'm pretty sure that there was an analysis out there that found that Bama/UGA actually did even BETTER than most at evaluating "3-stars". So not only do they sign 5-stars, but when they pick a 3-star to be in their class, they're actually very good at evaluating those players too.
This obviously makes sense as these are elite staffs with elite coaches who also happen to be elite talent evaluators. It's very silly to assume that these schools just randomly pick recruits based off of star rating, while Harsin is going to "do his own evaluation". As if Saban/Kirby and company aren't doing their own evaluations as well.
For example, that white WR from UGA that destroyed us last season was a LOW 3-star. He still somehow made it into UGA's recruiting class in 2020 despite the fact that he was ranked as the #169 WR in the 247 Composite. I'm pretty sure that Vandy was his only other SEC offer. So in that case UGA clearly identified him properly, to the degree that pretty much no one else in the SEC did.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 11:24 am to metafour
There are so many factors that go into that though. Bama for instance, they generally don't need 3* guys, so the ones they do bring in are going to be those athletes that have all the tools to be a great player, but are either very raw or not fully developed. Then they get 2-3 years normally to develop, competing against that level of talent.
That makes it look like they are evaluating them better, but in reality they are just able to let those kids develop instead of having to use them when they aren't as ready.
Doesn't mean they don't evaluate them better than anyone, but that is going to skew the results a bit IMO.
That makes it look like they are evaluating them better, but in reality they are just able to let those kids develop instead of having to use them when they aren't as ready.
Doesn't mean they don't evaluate them better than anyone, but that is going to skew the results a bit IMO.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 11:34 am to metafour
He averaged 2 catches and less than 30 yards a game. It's not like he's some world beater.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 11:41 am to GoCrazyAuburn
I don't see how that is a valid retort.
The WR I mentioned, Ladd McConkey, redshirted for one season in 2020 and immediately put up 447 yards and 5 TD's in 2021. He's not a Senior who's been sitting on the bench for 3-4 years and "developing". That was simply an amazing find on a literal no-name recruit by a team that has no problem landing "4-star" WR's.
You can look at this even further. The OL we were trying so hard to flip from Georgia (RyQueze McElderry) is a 3-star. Georgia landed his commitment on November 30th, 2021. Bama "offered" him on November 19th, 2021 (although his offer wasn't committable). We didn't even offer him until January 26th, 2022. So again, both of these schools were WELL ahead of us to the punch for a 3-star OL. They identified him earlier. Sure Brian Harsin is new and blah blah and learning the landscape, but the point is that it's a silly proposition to assume that we can somehow unearth elite "3-star" talent while these other schools can't.
What makes these schools so scary is that not only do they land elite talent, but they're very very good at evaluating that elite talent and ALL talent. Saban doesn't just look at 247.com and pick his recruits based off their rankings, that's why most of their elite recruits end up actually playing like elite recruits.
The WR I mentioned, Ladd McConkey, redshirted for one season in 2020 and immediately put up 447 yards and 5 TD's in 2021. He's not a Senior who's been sitting on the bench for 3-4 years and "developing". That was simply an amazing find on a literal no-name recruit by a team that has no problem landing "4-star" WR's.
You can look at this even further. The OL we were trying so hard to flip from Georgia (RyQueze McElderry) is a 3-star. Georgia landed his commitment on November 30th, 2021. Bama "offered" him on November 19th, 2021 (although his offer wasn't committable). We didn't even offer him until January 26th, 2022. So again, both of these schools were WELL ahead of us to the punch for a 3-star OL. They identified him earlier. Sure Brian Harsin is new and blah blah and learning the landscape, but the point is that it's a silly proposition to assume that we can somehow unearth elite "3-star" talent while these other schools can't.
What makes these schools so scary is that not only do they land elite talent, but they're very very good at evaluating that elite talent and ALL talent. Saban doesn't just look at 247.com and pick his recruits based off their rankings, that's why most of their elite recruits end up actually playing like elite recruits.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 11:49 am to metafour
quote:It also may explain why Gustav's classes were deceptively high in the composite rankings - he got the "elite" prospects that the other schools either didn't pursue with as much vigor or passed on altogether, because they were far better at evaluating talent. A lot of those guys ended up as non-contributors at AU.
What makes these schools so scary is that not only do they land elite talent, but they're very very good at evaluating that elite talent and ALL talent. Saban doesn't just look at 247.com and pick his recruits based off their rankings, that's why most of their elite recruits end up actually playing like elite recruits.
Unfortunately it appears now that Harsin can't even get the overrated guys to consider us.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 12:08 pm to JamalSanders
If Harsin wins 6 or fewer he’s gone. The recruiting class will be bad (or not good enough, at best), pretty much guaranteed at this point. He still won’t have booster support. New President, lame duck AD.
Very little suggests that Harsin has any guarantees of being back next year. It’s unfortunate how this has all gone down, but ultimately Harsin will live or die by his results (on the field and in recruiting). Year 1 was a bust in both.
Very little suggests that Harsin has any guarantees of being back next year. It’s unfortunate how this has all gone down, but ultimately Harsin will live or die by his results (on the field and in recruiting). Year 1 was a bust in both.
This post was edited on 8/11/22 at 12:11 pm
Posted on 8/11/22 at 12:16 pm to metafour
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I don't see how that is a valid retort.
Why? If we are examining on the whole, their success with 3* players, it is probably the biggest factor IMO. If you are able to hand pick select 3*'s and let them develop properly, they will generally be more successful than the ones that a team had to settle on to fill a need because they missed on another player and have to use before they are ready.
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The WR I mentioned, Ladd McConkey, redshirted for one season in 2020 and immediately put up 447 yards and 5 TD's in 2021. He's not a Senior who's been sitting on the bench for 3-4 years and "developing". That was simply an amazing find on a literal no-name recruit by a team that has no problem landing "4-star" WR's.
Okay? That is one player. Your initial comment was to those programs being more successful with their 3* products. Do you think this one example is the norm or the exception?
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but the point is that it's a silly proposition to assume that we can somehow unearth elite "3-star" talent while these other schools can't.
Have I purported this at all? I merely stated that the biggest reason they are as successful with the 3* guys they get, is because they have the luxury of being able to hand pick them purely on scouting and not having to factor in a position need, then let them properly develop.
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What makes these schools so scary is that not only do they land elite talent, but they're very very good at evaluating that elite talent and ALL talent. Saban doesn't just look at 247.com and pick his recruits based off their rankings, that's why most of their elite recruits end up actually playing like elite recruits.
Cool I guess? Not really sure what point you are trying to make here as it has nothing to do with my comments.
This post was edited on 8/11/22 at 12:19 pm
Posted on 8/11/22 at 2:30 pm to Cocotheape
I will catch the devil with this but.... alienating the high school coaches in Georgia, first impression he comes across as arrogant, sends analysis and select coaches to visit recruits instead of visiting himself then bitches with said coaches because they are not in Auburn developing the players.
We are going to miss out on the best WR in Georgia and top 10 athlete in country due to lack of contact. He has no favorites, Young man sent tape, called for a visit. Crickets from Auburn. Asked if he was going to Big Cat the young man didn't even know what that was.
Mack Brown and Gene have visited more coaches and recruits in Georgia than Harsin and visited before Harsin. The same duo visited the Alabama HS's before Harsin.
Matter of time before Carnell and Zac can't carry the recruiting load.
Smart has spouted off at a few high schools in Georgia this year that as long as Harsin is at Auburn, Georgia will be fine. He should know especially that he and Bobo, Muscamp are all close friends.
I am a 40 year plus donor and I have concerns.
We are going to miss out on the best WR in Georgia and top 10 athlete in country due to lack of contact. He has no favorites, Young man sent tape, called for a visit. Crickets from Auburn. Asked if he was going to Big Cat the young man didn't even know what that was.
Mack Brown and Gene have visited more coaches and recruits in Georgia than Harsin and visited before Harsin. The same duo visited the Alabama HS's before Harsin.
Matter of time before Carnell and Zac can't carry the recruiting load.
Smart has spouted off at a few high schools in Georgia this year that as long as Harsin is at Auburn, Georgia will be fine. He should know especially that he and Bobo, Muscamp are all close friends.
I am a 40 year plus donor and I have concerns.
This post was edited on 8/11/22 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 8/11/22 at 2:35 pm to BigTastey
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We are going to miss out on the best WR in Georgia and top 10 athlete in country due to lack of contact. He has no favorites,
Are you talking about Adam Hopkins? Would be a miss but he is not top 10 in the nation or even the state. I wish we would have went after DJ Chester more.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 3:02 pm to AubieinNC2009
Neither of them. Mike Matthew's out of Parkview HS. Check out his offer list. Still undecided.
Posted on 8/11/22 at 3:11 pm to jvilletiger25
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The PTB might just think Harsin isn’t worth ponying up the money for recruits
I don’t think it’s Harsin but the PTB don’t want to put a ton of money yet until they see these same players earning NIL money.
It is on Harsin to bring in enough top players that allows us the opportunity to compete high and beat our top conference teams and THEN the PTB Will load up on NIL.
A QUESTION? Do we know if there are greedy players that come to NIL and demand to be paid more bc of their great stats or are voted by media(for ex) as SEC PLAYER OF THE WEEK and etc.
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