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Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:28 am to metafour
For example, here is a list of "new targets" that are now starting to hear from us/are potentially being recruited:
3* CB Colton Hood (McDonough, GA) - Composite #72 CB
3* CB Misun Kelley (Central, SC) - Composite #83 CB
0* OC Kasen Carpenter (Allen, TX) - Unranked, currently committed to Tulsa
3* OT Elijah Philippe (Scranton, PA) - JUCO, Unranked on 247 but #6 overall and #1 JUCO OT on On3
3* LB Antwon Hayden (East Saint Louis, IL) - Composite #96 LB, currently committed to Illinois
3* LB Alex Sanford (Oxford, MS) - Composite #63 LB, currently committed to Arkansas
4* QB JJ Kohl (Ankeny, IA) - Composite #12 QB, currently committed to Iowa State
So saying that recruiting is going well because we have "all 4-stars committed" is highly disingenuous because our pool of targets after those 6 guys falls off a cliff completely. Even amongst those new potential targets listed above, 4 of them are currently committed elsewhere. We are way behind in 2023 recruiting because most targets are either committed to other schools, or they are heavily leaning to schools that don't include us.
Sure you can hope to flip 2-3 guys with a good season, but anything more than that is a pipedream.
3* CB Colton Hood (McDonough, GA) - Composite #72 CB
3* CB Misun Kelley (Central, SC) - Composite #83 CB
0* OC Kasen Carpenter (Allen, TX) - Unranked, currently committed to Tulsa
3* OT Elijah Philippe (Scranton, PA) - JUCO, Unranked on 247 but #6 overall and #1 JUCO OT on On3
3* LB Antwon Hayden (East Saint Louis, IL) - Composite #96 LB, currently committed to Illinois
3* LB Alex Sanford (Oxford, MS) - Composite #63 LB, currently committed to Arkansas
4* QB JJ Kohl (Ankeny, IA) - Composite #12 QB, currently committed to Iowa State
So saying that recruiting is going well because we have "all 4-stars committed" is highly disingenuous because our pool of targets after those 6 guys falls off a cliff completely. Even amongst those new potential targets listed above, 4 of them are currently committed elsewhere. We are way behind in 2023 recruiting because most targets are either committed to other schools, or they are heavily leaning to schools that don't include us.
Sure you can hope to flip 2-3 guys with a good season, but anything more than that is a pipedream.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:43 am to metafour
I am not gonna disagree with anyone that says this staff is missing elite talent. But Gus and his guys would just not recruit a backup type guy if we missed on the original target. That's part of the reason we are where we are. I like the fact we are at least trying to take a prospect at OL. Harsin will need to prove he can develop and actually coach football before we are getting top HS talent.
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TL;DR Gus was a disaster at managing a major CFB program. We have some major deficiencies that need to be addressed
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TL;DR Gus was a disaster at managing a major CFB program. We have some major deficiencies that need to be addressed
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 10:57 am
Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:57 am to AUCE05
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I am not gonna disagree with anyone that says this staff is missing elite talent. But Gus and his guys would just not recruit a backup type guy if we missed on the original target. That's part of the reason we are where we are. I like the fact we are at least trying to take a prospect at OL. Harsin will need to prove he can develop and actually coach football before we are getting top HS talent.
I mean, we signed just 1 OL last year and have just 1 OL committed currently. The results really aren't any different. They've already let multiple "backups" go elsewhere (Clay Wedin, Ian Geffrard) which now looks like a mistake. So we're actually now scrambling to find the backups to the original backups.
Sure, they're going to sign some OL...because they literally have to given how many guys we're losing this year. But this recruiting doesn't look any different than anything under the previous staff. In 2020 Malzahn signed Zierer and Coffee from JUCO, signed Council as a Transfer, and signed Jernigan, Tate Johnson, and Wright from HS. That's 6 total.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 10:58 am to AUCE05
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But Gus and his guys would just not recruit a backup type guy if we missed on the original target.
This is false. Daniel Thomas, Roger McCreary, Marquis Burks and many more were all late January to February commitments because original guys such as Broderick Jones didn’t work out.
Why are you dissing Gus on this when Harsin added 0 backup plans and 0commits in February.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 11:01 am to metafour
I agree the end product isn't there. My point is this staff is at least showing the ability to move down the line. Gus in year 8 was not able to do this. TWill was supposed to be this all world recruiter yet we are in a major hole at LBer.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 11:12 am to AUCE05
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I agree the end product isn't there. My point is this staff is at least showing the ability to move down the line. Gus in year 8 was not able to do this. TWill was supposed to be this all world recruiter yet we are in a major hole at LBer.
Are they? I just don't really see any proof or difference at all to even make that claim. They needed to sign OL last year too and they refused to take backup plans (one guy ended up at Miami, another ended up at Missouri).
The one main difference is that Malzahn was never sitting at just 6 commitments and scrambling to fill essentially an entire class with backup options. This staff MUST "move down the line" because unless we want to sign under 10 HS prospects, they have no other choice lol. But we're actually in that scenario because they DIDN'T "move down the line" already.
I really think you're giving them credit for something that doesn't even make factual sense. Their recruiting boards seem very short in general, and there is a lot of lofting around on who they want to pursue or not while all their initial options are committing elsewhere.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 11:19 am to metafour
Well, obviously they need to close. We gave Gus a decade and he refused to do it. My hope is we don't give Harsin that long if they won't adjust. If Harsin can't trouble shoot the OL by December, then we go all in on Rhule. Again, I am not disagreeing with you. I see a list of 3* OLmen that are backups. So I am pausing my criticism.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 11:57 am to AUCE05
I have no clue what you’re talking about. Gus had a problem with OL recruiting thus his usual “pretty good” recruiting classes were skewed to showing better classes than what we actually holistically received. But he never stopped recruiting because he missed on original prospects. Like Meta said, the only difference between Gus and Harsin right now is Gus never had this number of commitments at this time of the year, and Lord knows he had his many run-ins against the PTB as well. The fact that you try to shite on Gus bringing in backup plans, when 1) Gus is irrelevant right now. 2) Gus’s recruiting is partly irrelevant now after the mass exodus of players that we have experienced since Gus was fired 3) he actually brought in quality backup plan recruits. Recruits that went on to help Auburn and land in the NFL.
I don’t get you AUCE. How are you always arse backwards? You don’t want mistakes by QBs you say give me Calzada over Nix. You accuse Gus of not taking backup plans while Harsin literally had no backups to call this January. What’s your deal?
I don’t get you AUCE. How are you always arse backwards? You don’t want mistakes by QBs you say give me Calzada over Nix. You accuse Gus of not taking backup plans while Harsin literally had no backups to call this January. What’s your deal?
Posted on 8/10/22 at 12:06 pm to jangalang
I am not going to argue with you over the lack of OL recruiting from Gus. I don't jump on individual bandwagon's like you. I am not team Nix or team Gus. I am 100% for AU. I gave Gus the benefit of doubt up till the 2020ish season. Too long. I will give Harsin a chance too (but not as long). There is a list of backups and plans to take Jucos. Meta is just repeating what is floating around all AU back channels for our recruiting plan rn. My original point in this convo is Gus failed to do that at key positions. OL and QB being the main one. Harsin has built a deep QB room to date. I see options on the board at OL. It is enough for me to wait on the season and see how it progresses. I will let it play out and reevaluate at seasons end.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 12:16 pm to AUCE05
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don't jump on individual bandwagon's like you.
It’s funny you say this because I was reading your responses before this and my exact thought was the complete opposite.
You’re falling into the trap most people do after we fire a coach of blame everything on the last coach and refuse to objectively evaluate the new one.
There is nothing about recruiting at this point where you can definitively say Harsin > Gus.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 12:22 pm to metafour
He just hates Gus.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 12:23 pm to AUCE05
quote:there is no need because I’m not defending Gus here.
I am not going to argue with you over the lack of OL recruiting from Gus
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am not team Nix or team Gus. I am 100% for AU.
I’m not even team Gus. But when you say stuff that isn’t true (he didn’t recruit backup plans) that doesn’t make Gus more shitty of a coach.
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Meta is just repeating what is floating around all AU back channels for our recruiting plan rn. My original point in this convo is Gus failed to do that at key positions
He’s really not. The pool of talent gets more shallow as players come off the board. How many HS signees do you figure we sign this year?
Posted on 8/10/22 at 12:25 pm to Weagle25
I can see your point. There is nothing any of us can do about Harsin rn. We are stuck with him probably for a min of 2-3 more seasons. I am looking for positives. Gus is my baseline because he was our last coach and there is some pieces from his program we are dealing with. I just don't think it is realistic to expect this staff to pull elite top 100 talent at this point. If we are assuming Harsin stays and is successful at AU, he is going to have to develop 3* type guys and show he is a good coach. Maybe I am not in panic mode because my bar for Harsin isn't very high rn.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 12:34 pm to AUCE05
I’m not in panic mode over Harsin. I say let him do what he wants and he either wins or he’s gone.
I just see no reason to look for things to spin in his favor. I just try to be objective whether I like the guy or not (which I do like Harsin. I just don’t know if he’ll be successful).
Recruiting sucks right now. Just what it is. I wouldn’t expect us to kill it in recruiting when they just tried to fire him after one year anyways. So not even entirely his fault. But at the same time, I don’t really care who’s fault it is or isn’t. If he doesn’t fix it, we’ll have to move on to the next guy.
Sorry. Little off topic. Back to recruiting.
I just see no reason to look for things to spin in his favor. I just try to be objective whether I like the guy or not (which I do like Harsin. I just don’t know if he’ll be successful).
Recruiting sucks right now. Just what it is. I wouldn’t expect us to kill it in recruiting when they just tried to fire him after one year anyways. So not even entirely his fault. But at the same time, I don’t really care who’s fault it is or isn’t. If he doesn’t fix it, we’ll have to move on to the next guy.
Sorry. Little off topic. Back to recruiting.
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 12:35 pm
Posted on 8/10/22 at 12:38 pm to Weagle25
I am not pumping Harsin. Just looking for some positives and living in reality. If you look at his recruiting strategy, it mimics Mack Browns and CPs which he came from. They did their own evaluations. Those thinking Harsin will change to be a recruiting juggernaut like Saban/Kirby will be disappointed.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 12:48 pm to AUCE05
He might do his own evaluations but he’s missing on recruits that our rivals and significant southeastern schools want too. It’s not like he is knocking on different doors right now.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 2:11 pm to AUCE05
If they don't close it doesn't matter. Am I supposed to be happy with a college coach simply identifying kids who can play college football and it go no further?
Anything short of 8 wins and a top 20 (still not good enough) receuiting class gets Harsin canned.
Anything short of 8 wins and a top 20 (still not good enough) receuiting class gets Harsin canned.
This post was edited on 8/10/22 at 2:17 pm
Posted on 8/10/22 at 2:42 pm to metafour
Meta still out here doing the lords work. Between here and ON3 I've been loving all your post lately lol.
I've been using this word a lot lately, because the only way you think our recruiting isn't in the garbage can is if you're smoking rock.
AUCE You say Harsin has 2-3 more years to figure it out, but thats not true. He probably has to win 8 games to keep his job and the worse recruiting gets that number goes up. IF he wins those games he might get those years, but 7 wins or less and he's out.
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pipedream
I've been using this word a lot lately, because the only way you think our recruiting isn't in the garbage can is if you're smoking rock.
AUCE You say Harsin has 2-3 more years to figure it out, but thats not true. He probably has to win 8 games to keep his job and the worse recruiting gets that number goes up. IF he wins those games he might get those years, but 7 wins or less and he's out.
Posted on 8/10/22 at 6:18 pm to jt33
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Harsin has 2-3 more years to figure it out, but thats not true. He probably has to win 8 games to keep his job and the worse recruiting gets that number goes up. IF he wins those games he might get those years, but 7 wins or less and he's out.
Short of the team imploding or video of harsin with a dead girl or live boy, harsin is back next year.
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