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re: Tua would've transferred if kept on sidelines for last game
Posted on 5/18/18 at 7:17 am to Teague
Posted on 5/18/18 at 7:17 am to Teague
I'm not freaking out or anything, I just have a gut feeling that tells me all this talking is never a good thing.
If the guys show up and ball none of it matters. I just don't feel great about the combination of stuff like this with what seems like an expectation that Tua is going to throw for 5,000 yards, 50 TDs and 3 INTs this year, because I know how this fanbase and the national media react when a kid doesn't meet that type of expectation. And Tua is going to be a sophomore with a skill set of grip it and rip it, meaning odds are high he will have one or two games where he has 2 or 3 turnovers. And I can see the backlash now.
But hey, that's part of being Alabama. Just wish he hadn't picked at the wound.
If the guys show up and ball none of it matters. I just don't feel great about the combination of stuff like this with what seems like an expectation that Tua is going to throw for 5,000 yards, 50 TDs and 3 INTs this year, because I know how this fanbase and the national media react when a kid doesn't meet that type of expectation. And Tua is going to be a sophomore with a skill set of grip it and rip it, meaning odds are high he will have one or two games where he has 2 or 3 turnovers. And I can see the backlash now.
But hey, that's part of being Alabama. Just wish he hadn't picked at the wound.
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Posted on 5/18/18 at 7:20 am to Teague
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I think Saban had known for a while that Tua would be starting sooner rather than later.
There is also the possibility that Saban intended for his comments during the spring game to be overheard. Maybe he really isn't one of the damn few coaches in this world that would choose Hurts over Tua. That is, Hurts' Dad had already made the comments that Jalen was going to be a starting qb. So maybe Saban's comments were intentional.
That aside, from most accounts of sources that would know, and I'm not talking about some Joe Blow fan on the sideline at a practice, but word is that Tua "has the locker room", and we all know that's very important to Saban, and I guess nearly every other coach, for obviously good reason. It's pretty evident just watching the games, and not just the title game. The team seems to play better, immediately, when Tua comes in. I think it's going to be Tua. Clearly, it should be Tua.
A reminder of Saban's comments during the spring game...
“Without me saying it … two years. I mean the third-team quarterback can move the team right down the field throwing the ball,” Saban was overheard saying on the ESPN broadcast.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 7:22 am to SummerOfGeorge
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odds are high he will have one or two games where he has 2 or 3 turnovers
I think most of us expect this. It's a hell of a sight better than 3 and out and a 1 dimensional offense against the good defenses you have to beat to win titles.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 7:24 am to John Milner
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I think most of us expect this.
I think most of us who aren't idiots expect this, yes. But as everyone knows..........our fanbase isn't only made up of rational, long term thinkers.
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's a hell of a sight better than 3 and out and a 1 dimensional offense against the good defenses you have to beat to win titles.
Amen
Posted on 5/18/18 at 7:42 am to SummerOfGeorge
You make a good point there.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 7:52 am to John Milner
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A reminder of Saban's comments during the spring game...
“Without me saying it … two years. I mean the third-team quarterback can move the team right down the field throwing the ball,” Saban was overheard saying on the ESPN broadcast.
I've seen this quote multiple times, and I saw the video of Saban saying it. However, I'm still not convinced it was directed at Jalen.
Saban is a defensive coach, and his specialty is defensive backs. I don't know who was in the spring game on defense at this point, but it's entirely possible he was complaining to his defensive coaches about the corners and safeties who had been in the system two years, and yet were being picked apart by a redshirt freshman quarterback.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:04 am to Sauron
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I've seen this quote multiple times, and I saw the video of Saban saying it. However, I'm still not convinced it was directed at Jalen.
Saban is a defensive coach, and his specialty is defensive backs. I don't know who was in the spring game on defense at this point, but it's entirely possible he was complaining to his defensive coaches about the corners and safeties who had been in the system two years, and yet were being picked apart by a redshirt freshman quarterback.
this is actually a great point, and makes a whole hell of a lot more sense than him talking shite about Jalen within earshot of cameras.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:16 am to Funky Tide 8
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this is actually a great point, and makes a whole hell of a lot more sense than him talking shite about Jalen within earshot of cameras.
I don't think that's the case at all, but why would it be somehow better that he's disappointed by a db than the quarterback?
I think it was about Jalen Hurts, who has been playing for 2 years, and I think it's entirely possible it was intentional that he was overheard.
The "3rd team qb can move the team throwing the ball" part seems clearly to be comparing that to a 2 year player that can't move the team throwing the ball.
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 8:19 am
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:24 am to John Milner
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but why would it be somehow better that he's disappointed by a db than the quarterback?
I didn't say that it was better, but he is notoriously hard on his dbs. There is video evidence of this. It would just make more sense to me for him to be referring to DBs that were getting torched by third string, rather than Jalen.
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I think it was about Jalen Hurts, who has been playing for 2 years, and I think it's entirely possible it was intentional that he was overheard.
What would be the benefit of him being intentionally overheard saying that?
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 8:35 am
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:28 am to Funky Tide 8
But the comment wasn't when Jones was playing. Hurts was at qb (and didn't much torch the defense) and the comment was after another play when Hurts failed to deliver the ball, and took off. Notable that qbs weren't allowed to be tackled.
"Head coach Nick Saban was caught criticizing quarterback Jalen Hurts at Alabama's spring game.
In the game, Hurts dropped back for a pass but ended up running. Quarterbacks aren't allowed to be tackled during spring games.
“Without me saying it … two years. I mean the third-team quarterback can move the team right down the field throwing the ball,” Saban was overheard saying on the ESPN broadcast. "
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I don't think it's a bad thing that Saban would be frustrated with Hurts. The wide receivers and offensive coordinator certainly have been. Saban has been trying to encourage and bolster Hurts' confidence for 2 years. I got no problem with him stating the obvious.
"Head coach Nick Saban was caught criticizing quarterback Jalen Hurts at Alabama's spring game.
In the game, Hurts dropped back for a pass but ended up running. Quarterbacks aren't allowed to be tackled during spring games.
“Without me saying it … two years. I mean the third-team quarterback can move the team right down the field throwing the ball,” Saban was overheard saying on the ESPN broadcast. "
LINK
I don't think it's a bad thing that Saban would be frustrated with Hurts. The wide receivers and offensive coordinator certainly have been. Saban has been trying to encourage and bolster Hurts' confidence for 2 years. I got no problem with him stating the obvious.
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 8:35 am
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:35 am to John Milner
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But the comment wasn't when Jones was playing. Hurts was at qb (and didn't much torch the defense) and the comment was after another play when Hurts failed to deliver the ball, and took off.
ohhh, well that changes everything
I admit, I didn't watch the A-day game besides highlights. Disregard my posts then. Apologies.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:37 am to Funky Tide 8
No problems. I think it's going to work out fine, and for the record, I'm with those who think that Tua's comments are being taken out of context.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:52 am to John Milner
I think Tua was just sharing his honest frustrations. Many people who attended practices last year said it was clear Tua was the better QB. He probably saw that too and was frustrated. The real takeaway from it is that he's thankful he didn't follow through - that he persevered - and that his parents apparently told him he needs to push through and finish what he started. Sounds like they're raising him right.
Also, it isn't uncommon for players to think about transferring. It's just uncommon for us to hear about it this soon. Derrick Henry was planning to transfer before the Oklahoma game his FR year, but the way he was used in that game changed his mind. Javier Arenas was either going to quit football or transfer when Saban got to Bama. There are plenty of other examples of it.
Also, it isn't uncommon for players to think about transferring. It's just uncommon for us to hear about it this soon. Derrick Henry was planning to transfer before the Oklahoma game his FR year, but the way he was used in that game changed his mind. Javier Arenas was either going to quit football or transfer when Saban got to Bama. There are plenty of other examples of it.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:53 am to John Milner
If anyone is interested this is an article about the Saban hot mic comment. There is a short twitter video included of the comment in the article as well.
USA Today
USA Today
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:56 am to bamasgot13
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It's just uncommon for us to hear about it this soon.
I actually think this is what's throwing some of us off, including myself. Since Saban has been here, news has been scarce, especially things like this. I wish it would stay scarce
Posted on 5/18/18 at 10:07 am to bamasgot13
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I think Tua was just sharing his honest frustrations.
I didn't mean to imply he wouldn't actually have transferred, had he not gotten the chance. I think he would have. In fact, I said since last season, when it became apparent he was a better qb with NFL potential, that he would transfer if he didn't get a chance to be the starting qb.
When I say his comments were taken out of context, though, I meant that since he was talking to a middle school class, apparently about perseverance, and the fact he did get to prove himself on the biggest stage in college football, I think things will work out good for him at UA.
Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:08 am to Cobrasize
Saban hot mic comment:
That pretty well sums it up.
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"Without me saying it... (Inaudible) two years. I mean the third team QB can move the team right down the field throwing the ball."
That pretty well sums it up.
This post was edited on 5/18/18 at 1:26 pm
Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:30 am to Cobrasize
quote:I hate you
For the record Bamafan15 is a huge pussy
Posted on 5/18/18 at 11:57 am to Bamafan15
Posted on 5/18/18 at 8:41 pm to Cobrasize
1) Saban is the GOAT.
2) See #1 but it isn't without weaknesses. The main one being his loyalty/stubborness to certain players, especially the QBs. The starter can do no wrong in his eyes. Jalen's a great kid, a great athlete, and a great representative for Bama. What he isn't is a great QB. Time to face facts and let the best player play. Or is that Saban's ego not letting him admit he fricked up?
Want further evidence? If anybody, ANYBODY, besides AJ McCarron gets in the face of one of our best linemen and classiest players ever in Barrett Jones and starts a pissing contest in a game that was clearly over about stupid shite, Saban yanks their arse out of the game and chews his arse out but good. But because it was AJ, he looks the other way.
I'm not criticizing Saban, I'm pointing out the fact that despite him being the best there is, he's still human and has weaknesses and makes mistakes. Those of you that deify him and think he walks on water are just fooling yourselves. Coach Bryant had a weakness for drink. Saban can't admit when he's wrong about players.
flame away
2) See #1 but it isn't without weaknesses. The main one being his loyalty/stubborness to certain players, especially the QBs. The starter can do no wrong in his eyes. Jalen's a great kid, a great athlete, and a great representative for Bama. What he isn't is a great QB. Time to face facts and let the best player play. Or is that Saban's ego not letting him admit he fricked up?
Want further evidence? If anybody, ANYBODY, besides AJ McCarron gets in the face of one of our best linemen and classiest players ever in Barrett Jones and starts a pissing contest in a game that was clearly over about stupid shite, Saban yanks their arse out of the game and chews his arse out but good. But because it was AJ, he looks the other way.
I'm not criticizing Saban, I'm pointing out the fact that despite him being the best there is, he's still human and has weaknesses and makes mistakes. Those of you that deify him and think he walks on water are just fooling yourselves. Coach Bryant had a weakness for drink. Saban can't admit when he's wrong about players.
flame away
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