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Posted on 1/29/23 at 8:12 am to SummerOfGeorge
Posted on 1/29/23 at 8:12 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I mean shite guys we just blew out Mizzou in Columbia 7 days ago. They turned around and blew out Iowa State on the same floor yesterday.
Doesn't matter. That was a whole week ago and if they'd had Brown we would have lost by 47.
In all seriousness, most of these people only care about basketball to the extent that it lets them talk shite. They don't watch games other than ours and have zero feel for the sport at all. When we lose, they don't get to talk shite and gloat, so they react negatively and emotionally.
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Posted on 1/29/23 at 8:17 am to Robot Santa
We play again Tuesday what changes would y’all like to see?
Posted on 1/29/23 at 8:20 am to BigFolks6347
Well I can guarantee that Vandy is going to throw a whole lot of double high ball screens at us, so we'll immediately see if we've made some adjustments to defending that, both schematically and just toughness/physical effort wise.
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 8:21 am
Posted on 1/29/23 at 8:35 am to SummerOfGeorge
Pringle probably deserves some more playing time. He brings more energy than anyone else and has had some strong performances lately. I'm not sure why Oats is so reluctant to give him more run considering how dedicated he was to Rojas, who probably brought less to the table than Pringle.
Sears and Clowney have also got to get out of this godawful funk they are in from 3. We are going to struggle on offense if neither of them are hitting anything with most of our opponents seemingly willing to just play deny the ball to Miller at this point.
Sears and Clowney have also got to get out of this godawful funk they are in from 3. We are going to struggle on offense if neither of them are hitting anything with most of our opponents seemingly willing to just play deny the ball to Miller at this point.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 8:36 am to SummerOfGeorge
SOG I maybe wrong but I feel that how foul happy SEC officials are may have screwed our team’s mindset yesterday. Oklahoma came out ready to get in a street fight and our guys were begging for fouls and looking at officials while in gameplay. SEC officials call nearly everything a foul. I feel that was the big difference in the game. I think the sec officials are horrible and need to take note from other conferences and let the boys play because it hurts SEC teams in the tournament when other officials don’t call games as tight as they do.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 8:37 am to Robot Santa
Agree - the Chuck hook needs to be much faster when it's obvious he's not playing strong or tough enough.
Was pretty shocked Pringle didn't get into the game in the 1st half yesterday.
Was pretty shocked Pringle didn't get into the game in the 1st half yesterday.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 8:41 am to BigFolks6347
I hate to be the bearer of bad news but there aren't SEC officials or ACC officials. I do think that game was called more 1980s style than some other games, but the 1st half vs State was called in a similar manner.
However I agree that yesterday felt like the confluence of a bunch of different factors that just kind of led to an avalanche.
- Oklahoma was ready and had a great plan and then executed it to near perfection
- We clearly have let success go to our head a bit
- We have some defensive flaws in the pick and roll game
- We're in a slump shooting
- The Miles situation is clearly still lingering
- The game was called in a way that certainly played to their favor
It happens. Shouldn't be any issue pointing out any of these issues after the embarrassment of yesterday, you'd think.
However I agree that yesterday felt like the confluence of a bunch of different factors that just kind of led to an avalanche.
- Oklahoma was ready and had a great plan and then executed it to near perfection
- We clearly have let success go to our head a bit
- We have some defensive flaws in the pick and roll game
- We're in a slump shooting
- The Miles situation is clearly still lingering
- The game was called in a way that certainly played to their favor
It happens. Shouldn't be any issue pointing out any of these issues after the embarrassment of yesterday, you'd think.
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 8:46 am
Posted on 1/29/23 at 8:49 am to SummerOfGeorge
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we just blew out Mizzou in Columbia 7 days ago. They turned around and blew out Iowa State on the same floor yesterday.
The sky’s not falling and your point about every team in the country is absolutely true, but I’m not sure this Mizzou statement is as strong as it sounds. They scratched their best player hours before the game and missed an unusual amount of wide open 3s (opposite of what OK did) that would have changed the game. Oats even referenced it in the press conference.
We’re clearly a good team, but there are chinks in the armor that stretch multiple games, even ones we’ve won. Defense has had several clunkers now (OK, Gonzaga, Memphis, etc.)
Yesterday was our worst game since SDST IMO. Even with Gonzaga we showed fight and Brandon took over the offense (defense was horrible). The SDST game was just atrocious and we were fortunate they were way worse than normal this year. Considering we beat UH the next game, I’m hoping the team will come out very focused next game.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 8:50 am to SummerOfGeorge
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The Miles situation is clearly still lingering
This is my only major concern going forward. In terms of roster construction and physical ability, this is a team that can beat anyone in the country. Mentally coping with something like this in the middle of the season, especially for a really young team, is damn near impossible though.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 8:51 am to BamaBravesPackers
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Yesterday was our worst game since SDST IMO. Even with Gonzaga we showed fight and Brandon took over the offense (defense was horrible). The SDST game was just atrocious and we were fortunate they were way worse than normal this year. Considering we beat UH the next game, I’m hoping the team will come out very focused next game
100% agree
Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:13 am to SummerOfGeorge
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news but there aren't SEC officials or ACC officials.
Their FOG is showing.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:21 am to SummerOfGeorge
quote:You've hit the nail on its head!
I have some long-term concerns after the last week about our ability to defend teams on the ball. One of the reasons our defense has been good is that we have big athletic erasers at the rim that cover for our guards getting beat off the dribble. State and Oklahoma countered that by continuously running high ball screens that drug out our bigs and negated their ability to defend the rim. We are very average guarding the ball straight up we were absolutely abused by it today (and the 1st half against State). Gonzaga did the exact same thing to us. That defensive effort we put out today was just flat out embarrassing. And they should be and hopefully are embarrassed.
There is tape out there now. Teams are starting to adjust how they play against us. We are going to have to counter. I think our coach is good enough and our diversity of talent good enough to do so, but it's gonna be a process the next week or so.
The defensive quickness of our guards has been suspect most of the year, and it's been mentioned by analysts on occasion. Like with most teams, if you have to vigorously guard the 3-point line, the lane's gonna open up.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:22 am to East Coast Band
You’re clearly delusional. Been a heavy follower of BAMA Basketball since as long as I can remember. So that FOG clearly doesn’t apply to me. And no I didn’t know all conferences used the same officials.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:25 am to BigFolks6347
Your point about the physicality of the game vs some others was dead on Big. We looked shell shocked and never really got back into the flow of things.
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 9:27 am
Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:26 am to East Coast Band
We’re extremely fortunate that Liam Robbins is missing both our games against Vanderbilt because we absolutely fall apart against teams with good offensive sets and a 250+ pound skilled post player. Regardless, Tuesday should tell us a lot about this squad.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:28 am to coachcrisp
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The defensive quickness of our guards has been suspect most of the year, and it's been mentioned by analysts on occasion. Like with most teams, if you have to vigorously guard the 3-point line, the lane's gonna open up.
They were fighting through illegal screens to go over the top of picks 7’ past the 3pt line.
Gary Payton would’ve had trouble sticking with his man trying that.
As soon as they committed to that approach it’s basically the death of your defense because now someone has to rotate over to stop the dribble drive which means someone else is going to be wide open behind them or on the perimeter for an easy look.
Whoever is responsible for that or for not correcting it at halftime is largely responsible for the loss because it destroyed our defense. Even Jimmy Dykes called it out and was surprised the coaches didn’t fix it.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:29 am to TideCPA
It's frustrating to me that when situations like yesterday happen that we seem to refuse to think outside the box and do something to just at the very least disrupt the flow of the other team for a few minutes.
Ambush the pick, go to a zone, press, trap at half court. Something. Anything. Just throw a different look out there to snap them out of their locked in flow on offense when what we are doing is getting abused on every single possession. The Gonzaga game was exactly the same. We never did anything. Oklahoma did the same thing against the same defensive look for 40 minutes and never felt uncomfortable or even the least but surprised.
We do this on offense - Oats is great at halftime tweaks and adjustments. We don't do it on defense. I dunno if it's fair to blame that on Charlie Henry or not, but if we're getting beat defensively by something early on there's a good chance we'll keep getting beat on it and never make any sort of adjustment.
Ambush the pick, go to a zone, press, trap at half court. Something. Anything. Just throw a different look out there to snap them out of their locked in flow on offense when what we are doing is getting abused on every single possession. The Gonzaga game was exactly the same. We never did anything. Oklahoma did the same thing against the same defensive look for 40 minutes and never felt uncomfortable or even the least but surprised.
We do this on offense - Oats is great at halftime tweaks and adjustments. We don't do it on defense. I dunno if it's fair to blame that on Charlie Henry or not, but if we're getting beat defensively by something early on there's a good chance we'll keep getting beat on it and never make any sort of adjustment.
This post was edited on 1/29/23 at 9:32 am
Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:40 am to SummerOfGeorge
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Your point about the physicality of the game vs some others was dead on Big. We looked shell shocked and never really got back into the flow of things.
Bama does NOT like physical play and it’s obvious just watching their body language it got in their heads yesterday.
They want to play fast in space and when they get bodied and grabbed it keeps them from getting clean looks and throws them out of rhythm.
It’s like a speed WR who doesn’t like catching passes across the middle because they don’t want to get hit by a LB or safety or a finesse wing in hockey who doesn’t like getting checked.
Until they learn to play through contact consistently, which I think they did pretty well against UK in a slightly similar game, they are going to be highly vulnerable to officials who let that stuff go.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:44 am to tide06
I think that's definitely a concern in a tournament environment for us.
Posted on 1/29/23 at 9:44 am to mrbroker
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nal four? and where does this loss drop us in the polls.
Quick Stat:
The two teams who played for the NC last year (KU and UNC) combined to lose 7 games to unranked opponents last year.
Yesterday was a bad game for sure but I wouldn’t read too much into it as long as they make adjustments and learn from what went wrong.
I’m frankly glad it happened. It didn’t cost them a conference game, it knocked them down a peg so they aren’t reading their press clippings and was a great opportunity for the coaches to teach them how to play through physical contact.
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