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re: So is it safe to say Golding is staying?
Posted on 1/21/20 at 8:01 pm to OldPete
Posted on 1/21/20 at 8:01 pm to OldPete
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In the '16 season championship, when we played against Clemson, they ran 99 plays and wore down our D.
Because our offense couldn’t stay on the field. We averaged about 2 min per drive. We punted 12 times, went 3 and out 9 straight times, and were 0 of 12 on 3rd down at one point. The defense forced and recovered two fumbles inside Clemson and the offense came away with a combined -9 yards and 3 points on those 2 drives.
Clemson’s offense punted more times in that game than they had in 2 years and averaged the 2 lowest ypp they had on the season. Our defense gave them a pretty hard time but you’re not going to shut down an offense like that ESPECIALLY if your offense gives you no rest.
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Posted on 1/21/20 at 8:12 pm to Lucky_Stryke
At what point do the diminishing returns from staff turnover outweigh the increase in ability a new DC might bring?
At this point, I wonder if the defense isn't showing the effects of 3 different coordinators in 3 years. At some point you might just have to say "this is our guy, let's help him become a better coach" instead of "let's find someone new, this guy's a bum."
Not defending Golding; this was the least fun season of Alabama football I can remember and that was solely due to the defense being unable to string together 3 good plays in a row.
At this point, I wonder if the defense isn't showing the effects of 3 different coordinators in 3 years. At some point you might just have to say "this is our guy, let's help him become a better coach" instead of "let's find someone new, this guy's a bum."
Not defending Golding; this was the least fun season of Alabama football I can remember and that was solely due to the defense being unable to string together 3 good plays in a row.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 8:36 pm to Goombaw
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At what point do the diminishing returns from staff turnover outweigh the increase in ability a new DC might bring?
At this point, I wonder if the defense isn't showing the effects of 3 different coordinators in 3 years. At some point you might just have to say "this is our guy, let's help him become a better coach" instead of "let's find someone new, this guy's a bum."
Not defending Golding; this was the least fun season of Alabama football I can remember and that was solely due to the defense being unable to string together 3 good plays in a row.
Who do you want instead? Venables? He gave up even more yards to LSU without being forced to start a bunch of freshman due to a massive amount of injuries.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:15 pm to 3down10
That's my point. Who is going to be instantly SO much better than Golding that it outweighs the strain of 4 different DC's in 4 years?
And I'm saying this as someone that is not a fan of Golding.
And I'm saying this as someone that is not a fan of Golding.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:30 pm to 3down10
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Who do you want instead? Venables? He gave up even more yards to LSU without being forced to start a bunch of freshman due to a massive amount of injuries.
Nailed it.
Golding hasn’t exactly been dealt the best hand. This upcoming season, he has more to work with.
Do I think he’s a great DC? No. I find myself questioning the timing of some of his blitz calls/coverage calls, but hey... he’s making money at it and I’m not, so what do I know?
Posted on 1/21/20 at 9:55 pm to 1BamaRTR
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Our defense gave them a pretty hard time but you’re not going to shut down an offense like that ESPECIALLY if your offense gives you no rest
I don’t doubt it...but our D gave up similar numbers in a win against Ole Miss earlier in the season when our offense dominated time of possession. The year before, we also gave up similar numbers to Deshaun Watson in a win (we also won TOP) as well as in our loss to Ole Miss (we dominated TOP that game). Our D struggled against those two particular offenses even when our offense gave them rest...point being, maybe the 35-31 loss to Clemson wasn’t entirely on our offense...
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:05 pm to OldPete
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as well as in our loss to Ole Miss (we dominated TOP that game). Our D struggled against those two particular offenses even when our offense gave them rest...
Your theory here not blaming the offense is a game where we had 5 fricking turnovers? Ole miss with Td drives of 18, 26, and 31 yards... why??? because of the offense
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:27 pm to MoarKilometers
Not to mention Ole Miss had 72 of their yards come off that flukey as can be high snap, bounce off the helmet TD reception.
Posted on 1/21/20 at 10:38 pm to OldPete
The 2016 defense wasn’t perfect but they still finished 1st in the nation in scoring and total defense despite playing plenty of solid to great offenses. They also had 10 defensive TDs and shortened the field for the offense all throughout the season.
It’s pretty unfair because you’re pretty saying they should’ve been absolutely perfect (by saying they didn’t play well in 3/16 games), and I don’t think that’s very realistic. Meanwhile the offense was inconsistent in way more than 3/16 games.
It’s pretty unfair because you’re pretty saying they should’ve been absolutely perfect (by saying they didn’t play well in 3/16 games), and I don’t think that’s very realistic. Meanwhile the offense was inconsistent in way more than 3/16 games.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 6:43 am to Goombaw
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this was the least fun season of Alabama football I can remember and that was solely due to the defense being unable to string together 3 good plays in a row
Sure it wasn't because our shitty schedule, and our offense/st turning the ball over 5 times in our two biggest games?
Posted on 1/22/20 at 8:23 am to MoarKilometers
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Your theory here not blaming the offense in a game where we had 5 f*cking turnovers?
Nowhere in my post did I say that the offense had no blame...I merely stated that they weren't entirely to blame.
Do you deny that our D struggled in the two games they played against Chad Kelly? In our 5-turnover game, he still threw for 340+ yards; is the defense not responsible at all for that? The next year, we only had one turnover and he threw for 420+. He torched us whether we had turnovers or not...
Against Deshaun Watson, Bama's offense had a combined zero turnovers in our first two playoff championship games against Clemson. Watson threw for 400+ yards in both games; are you saying the defense shouldn't share some of that blame?
Posted on 1/22/20 at 8:39 am to 1BamaRTR
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It’s pretty unfair because you’re pretty saying they should’ve been absolutely perfect (by saying they didn’t play well in 3/16 games), and I don’t think that’s very realistic. Meanwhile the offense was inconsistent in way more than 3/16 games.
I'm not saying the 2016 defense should've been perfect; I'm saying they were not. They were a great defense, and they were better than our offense, but they were not infallible; they had their struggles against Ole Miss and Clemson. Many of our fans put the entire blame of the 2016 season on the offense (just like many put the blame of this past season all on the defense); usually the truth is somewhere in between...
Posted on 1/22/20 at 11:15 am to OldPete
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I'm not saying the 2016 defense should've been perfect; I'm saying they were not.
Saying they were not perfect is the same as you criticizing them because you think they should’ve been perfect. Because them being perfect is the only way you wouldn’t criticize them.
The truth is the offense still deserves FAR more blame than the defense does. The defense balled out for all but 3 games on the season. And even in 2 of those games they forced TOs and scored TDs.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 11:37 am to Ted2010
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I’d like to see how Golding does with not having to deal with injuries and tins of freshmen. That was hard for any DC to really shine. Hopefully he will do a good job this season.
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But I like to think of myself as a realist, and I recognize the absolute crap hand Golding was dealt this year with injuries and youth.
It wasn't ideal, but football never is. Football is a brutal sport and attrition is a part of why these guys are multimillionaires. The thing is we've watched other DCs at Alabama struggle with injuries to key guys throughout the season. The situation is not ancient history.
Jeremy Pruitt got hit hard with the injury bug in 2017. It was so bad that many of the talking heads didn't believe the playoff committee would select Alabama over Ohio State in the 4 seed slot.
It started in the very first game vs FSU when Terrell Lewis who had an elbow tear and missed the next 10 games. Our other OLB, Christian Miller, in the same game, suffered a bicep tear and missed the next 10 games. In the same FSU game, RaShaan Evans pulled a groin and missed the next 2 games and frankly wasn't himself till later on in the season. Oh, by the way, Anfernee Jennings suffers a high ankle sprain also in the Florida State game and misses the next 2 games.
Dion Hamilton fractures his kneecap vs LSU and we lose him for the season. Are you counting LBers here? Mack Wilso also gets injured vs LSU when he hurt his foot and misses the next 2 games. Freshman Dylan Moses gets serious starting time after the Hamilton injury and he breaks his foot after the Barner game and misses the playoffs. What's the count on LBers? Maybe Pruitt just sends up the white flag and starts leaking like the Titanic. Hey, we'll get them next year.
Hootie Jones partially tears an MCL vs the barn and misses the playoffs. Fitzpatrick pulls a hammy vs LSU and misses the next game and is seriously hobbled through the barner game. Da'Shawn Hand takes a cheap shot vs Ole Miss TE and misses the next 3 games. Diggs hurts his foot in the Rebel game and misses a start. Freshman LaBryan Ray started getting minutes due to all the injuries and he promptly breaks his foot at the end of the season. Nigel Knott was getting minutes as a reserve cornerback and hurt his knee and missed the final 5 games.
All to just say this. Pruitt led THAT defense to a national championship. And when THAT defense walked off the field for the final time, THAT mash unit was ranked #1 in total defense in the country.
I don't even want to think about what this DC would have done with that group. But I can hear the excuses as I type. The man needs a do-over.
Man, I miss Jeremy Pruitt.
This post was edited on 1/22/20 at 11:42 am
Posted on 1/22/20 at 12:11 pm to TidalSurge1
quote:Woah!
It wasn't ideal, but football never is. Football is a brutal sport and attrition is a part of why these guys are multimillionaires. The thing is we've watched other DCs at Alabama struggle with injuries to key guys throughout the season. The situation is not ancient history.
Jeremy Pruitt got hit hard with the injury bug in 2017. It was so bad that many of the talking heads didn't believe the playoff committee would select Alabama over Ohio State in the 4 seed slot.
It started in the very first game vs FSU when Terrell Lewis who had an elbow tear and missed the next 10 games. Our other OLB, Christian Miller, in the same game, suffered a bicep tear and missed the next 10 games. In the same FSU game, RaShaan Evans pulled a groin and missed the next 2 games and frankly wasn't himself till later on in the season. Oh, by the way, Anfernee Jennings suffers a high ankle sprain also in the Florida State game and misses the next 2 games.
Dion Hamilton fractures his kneecap vs LSU and we lose him for the season. Are you counting LBers here? Mack Wilso also gets injured vs LSU when he hurt his foot and misses the next 2 games. Freshman Dylan Moses gets serious starting time after the Hamilton injury and he breaks his foot after the Barner game and misses the playoffs. What's the count on LBers? Maybe Pruitt just sends up the white flag and starts leaking like the Titanic. Hey, we'll get them next year.
Hootie Jones partially tears an MCL vs the barn and misses the playoffs. Fitzpatrick pulls a hammy vs LSU and misses the next game and is seriously hobbled through the barner game. Da'Shawn Hand takes a cheap shot vs Ole Miss TE and misses the next 3 games. Diggs hurts his foot in the Rebel game and misses a start. Freshman LaBryan Ray started getting minutes due to all the injuries and he promptly breaks his foot at the end of the season. Nigel Knott was getting minutes as a reserve cornerback and hurt his knee and missed the final 5 games.
All to just say this. Pruitt led THAT defense to a national championship. And when THAT defense walked off the field for the final time, THAT mash unit was ranked #1 in total defense in the country.
I don't even want to think about what this DC would have done with that group. But I can hear the excuses as I type. The man needs a do-over.
Man, I miss Jeremy Pruitt.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 12:33 pm to TidalSurge1
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It wasn't ideal, but football never is. Football is a brutal sport and attrition is a part of why these guys are multimillionaires. The thing is we've watched other DCs at Alabama struggle with injuries to key guys throughout the season. The situation is not ancient history.
Jeremy Pruitt got hit hard with the injury bug in 2017. It was so bad that many of the talking heads didn't believe the playoff committee would select Alabama over Ohio State in the 4 seed slot.
It started in the very first game vs FSU when Terrell Lewis who had an elbow tear and missed the next 10 games. Our other OLB, Christian Miller, in the same game, suffered a bicep tear and missed the next 10 games. In the same FSU game, RaShaan Evans pulled a groin and missed the next 2 games and frankly wasn't himself till later on in the season. Oh, by the way, Anfernee Jennings suffers a high ankle sprain also in the Florida State game and misses the next 2 games.
Dion Hamilton fractures his kneecap vs LSU and we lose him for the season. Are you counting LBers here? Mack Wilso also gets injured vs LSU when he hurt his foot and misses the next 2 games. Freshman Dylan Moses gets serious starting time after the Hamilton injury and he breaks his foot after the Barner game and misses the playoffs. What's the count on LBers? Maybe Pruitt just sends up the white flag and starts leaking like the Titanic. Hey, we'll get them next year.
Hootie Jones partially tears an MCL vs the barn and misses the playoffs. Fitzpatrick pulls a hammy vs LSU and misses the next game and is seriously hobbled through the barner game. Da'Shawn Hand takes a cheap shot vs Ole Miss TE and misses the next 3 games. Diggs hurts his foot in the Rebel game and misses a start. Freshman LaBryan Ray started getting minutes due to all the injuries and he promptly breaks his foot at the end of the season. Nigel Knott was getting minutes as a reserve cornerback and hurt his knee and missed the final 5 games.
All to just say this. Pruitt led THAT defense to a national championship. And when THAT defense walked off the field for the final time, THAT mash unit was ranked #1 in total defense in the country.
I don't even want to think about what this DC would have done with that group. But I can hear the excuses as I type. The man needs a do-over.
Why'll the above is true, it differs greatly from 2019 in 2 key aspects:
1) The 2017 Alabama defense never played an offense in the universe of 2019 LSU. As a matter of fact, the schedule is full of so-so offenses, including the playoff teams. Schedule for reference
2) The injuries we sustained happened gradually over the season, culminating in us famously being down to our 3rd string OLBs and second string ILBs for the Iron Bowl (which we lost). But it didn't EVER have to rely on Double True freshman at both ILBs (one the playcaller) playing behind a crumbling DLine and go up against arguably the best offense ever assembled.
(And we lost to auburn because of 2 pick 6s. Defense did its job.)
Personally, I think the November version the 2017 Alabama defense would give up half a hundred to the 2019 LSU offense. Burrow could've brought out a stool and sat on it to throw. It could've been 1-hand touch and he wouldn't have been sacked.
This post was edited on 1/22/20 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 1/22/20 at 12:42 pm to prevatt33b
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(And we lost to auburn because of 2 pick 6s. Defense did its job.)
but the 2017 Alabama offense vs Auburn was far less productive than 2019. 103 passing yards and 14 pts.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 12:50 pm to prevatt33b
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Why'll the above is true, it differs greatly from 2019 in 2 key aspects:
1) The 2017 Alabama defense never played an offense in the universe of 2019 LSU. As a matter of fact, the schedule is full of so-so offenses, including the playoff teams. Schedule for reference
So what does Golding do with the injuries sustained on that '17' NC team? Win a title? Finish #1?
Or struggle to get to the QB, stop anything over the middle, struggle to tackle in space or anywhere else, or simply to get lined up properly?
Posted on 1/22/20 at 1:04 pm to John Milner
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but the 2017 Alabama offense vs Auburn was far less productive than 2019. 103 passing yards and 14 pts.
I did not criticize the 2017 defense for losing to auburn. That was on the offense. 2019 auburn was mentioned as it was the team's second loss, and the 2017 team didn't lose a second time. The equivalent game for 2017 auburn would actually be 2019 LSU.
Posted on 1/22/20 at 1:09 pm to prevatt33b
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Why'll the above is true, it differs greatly from 2019 in 2 key aspects:
1) The 2017 Alabama defense never played an offense in the universe of 2019 LSU. As a matter of fact, the schedule is full of so-so offenses, including the playoff teams. Schedule for reference
2) The injuries we sustained happened gradually over the season, culminating in us famously being down to our 3rd string OLBs and second string ILBs for the Iron Bowl (which we lost). But it didn't EVER have to rely on Double True freshman at both ILBs (one the playcaller) playing behind a crumbling DLine and go up against arguably the best offense ever assembled.
(And we lost to auburn because of 2 pick 6s. Defense did its job.)
Personally, I think the November version the 2017 Alabama defense would give up half a hundred to the 2019 LSU offense. Burrow could've brought out a stool and sat on it to throw. It could've been 1-hand touch and he wouldn't have been sacked.
yeah, not even sure how anyone can argue against this. Also add in the fact that even with the injuries in 2017, our defense was littered with upperclassmen leaders.
This post was edited on 1/22/20 at 1:12 pm
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