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Posted on 6/20/18 at 2:07 pm to stomp
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Nick Saban gets outcoached 2 to 3 times per year. Most of the time, the talent can overcome a few questionable decisions. This isn't a potshot at Saban... there's no such thing as a perfect in-game coach... but every year, there are a few games with everyone but the concession stand employees yelling "WTFFF"
I don't think it's 3 times a year. Usually just once a season. Occassionally twice in a season.
Otherwise, I agree with the sentiment; he's not the best in game coach.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 3:21 pm to FairhopeTider
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Surely you’re not suggesting that I was implying that.
At the end of it all, I think that when you typed this:
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I don’t think he’s an elite Xs and Os guy, but he’s good enough.
That you really meant:
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I don’t think he’s an elite gameday coach, but he’s good enough.
I just think that of all the things Saban is or isn't, he definitely is one of the best Xs and Os guys, particularly defensively, that is currently walking the planet. And I think describing a coach's gameday duties as the "Xs and Os" is a pretty innacurate way to speak about it.
But I know what you meant to say and don't disagree. I believe Saban has said as much himself.
Having said that, I don't think Saban gets outcoached any more frequently than anyone else. We just get used to him walking on water, and in this trait, he's human.
All of the other top coaches get out-coached just as frequently if not more so. No one is immune to that.
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 3:25 pm
Posted on 6/20/18 at 3:52 pm to prevatt33
Saban made a mistake not going to Tagovailoa before, and at least by the Auburn game. His decision not to do so probably cost us that game.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 4:10 pm to prevatt33
There should only be 20 bowl games in addition to the CFP.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 4:28 pm to John Milner
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Saban made a mistake not going to Tagovailoa before, and at least by the Auburn game. His decision not to do so probably cost us that game.
While I hear you and would also have liked to have seen Tua in that game, the difference between the outcome of the auburn game and the Clemson game was execution.
If we execute against auburn like we did against Clemson, we win. Similarly, for the Clemson game, we had a month to fix our LB corp. We didn't have that luxury versus auburn.
My point is that Saban is as good as any, but not an amazing gameday coach. I think everyone gets outcoached to some degree every now and then. Dabo got outcoached in the title game in 2015 by Saban. Urban Meyer got embarrassingly outcoached in the playoffs 2 years ago and versus Iowa last year. No one is a perfect gameday coach.
Similarly, I think it's folly to look at the result or degree of success from a fan's perspective and always attribute it to coaching. Frequently, it was the execution by the players that caused the negative result. Additionally, it's possible to blow a team out by 30 and still get "outcoached" - it depends on what a coach had to work with.
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 6/20/18 at 4:47 pm to John Milner
One last thing on the topic of getting "out-coached":
Using Saban as an example, he obviously has a very specific overall plan to win football games long term, which does involve a level of risk-aversion and stubbornness at times. This overall plan or "system" obviously works incredibly well long-term, given his winning percentage and number of titles. However, his system, like all systems, isn't perfect, and cannot make it so that you win every single game.
And so, Saban's system told him that the best plan was to start Hurts versus auburn. Remember, it is this same system that has brought a crap load of championships and wins to Tuscaloosa. But against auburn, it didn't work - and we fans use hindsight to know that. Saban, however, didn't have the benefit of hindsight. He had to use only foresight to try and win the game. Therefore, I think it's very illogical to criticize foresight using hindsight, and it's also illogical to overly criticize when his plan didn't work and not give credit where credit is due when it does.
When your plan is incredibly successful most of the time, it's impossible to always know when you should deviate from your plan, especially when your plan's success relies on being executed by others.
Using Saban as an example, he obviously has a very specific overall plan to win football games long term, which does involve a level of risk-aversion and stubbornness at times. This overall plan or "system" obviously works incredibly well long-term, given his winning percentage and number of titles. However, his system, like all systems, isn't perfect, and cannot make it so that you win every single game.
And so, Saban's system told him that the best plan was to start Hurts versus auburn. Remember, it is this same system that has brought a crap load of championships and wins to Tuscaloosa. But against auburn, it didn't work - and we fans use hindsight to know that. Saban, however, didn't have the benefit of hindsight. He had to use only foresight to try and win the game. Therefore, I think it's very illogical to criticize foresight using hindsight, and it's also illogical to overly criticize when his plan didn't work and not give credit where credit is due when it does.
When your plan is incredibly successful most of the time, it's impossible to always know when you should deviate from your plan, especially when your plan's success relies on being executed by others.
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:08 pm to prevatt33
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I think it's very illogical to criticize foresight using hindsight, and it's also illogical to overly criticize when his plan didn't work and not give credit where credit is due when it does.
Oh, it isn't just hindsight for me. I've been saying since the middle of 2016 season that Hurts is not a good college qb.
Way before this thread I have said that though Saban may be the best college coach ever, he is not infallible.
This was your thread topic, and it's about unpopular personal opinion. You don't have to agree with me. Few seemed to agree with me about Jalen Hurts, right up until the last few games.
By the way, though you have been responding to me, and we evidently disagree, I'm not the guy downvoting you.
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:26 pm to John Milner
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This was your thread topic, and it's about unpopular personal opinion. You don't have to agree with me
Since you obviously missed it, I'll quote my words for you:
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But I know what you meant to say and don't disagree. I believe Saban has said as much himself.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:36 pm to John Milner
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By the way, though you have been responding to me, and we evidently disagree, I'm not the guy downvoting you.
No worries, friend.
There's a guy or two on here who act like children and downvote every post I make, no matter what it is. It's petty and laughable, but it is what it is.
Seriously, who cares about upvotes or downvotes? That crap is for kids on social media. Any adult who values such things is doing life wrong, imo.
On a forum like this, the words are the only thing that matters.
And I enjoyed our discussion.
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 5:38 pm
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:48 pm to John Milner
Also, one of the worst things about this website is that you have to reply to a specific person - frequently, I'm replying to the group about the topic at hand.
I think the design of the website causes too many folks to take offense as it seems comments are overly directed an an individual, and I think our comments today reflect that.
I think the design of the website causes too many folks to take offense as it seems comments are overly directed an an individual, and I think our comments today reflect that.
Posted on 6/20/18 at 5:52 pm to prevatt33
I agree with your sentiment. I reply to myself if it is a general statement and I've already posted in the thread.
This post was edited on 6/20/18 at 5:53 pm
Posted on 6/20/18 at 6:52 pm to prevatt33
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ne of the worst things about this website is that you have to reply to a specific person
yep
Posted on 6/21/18 at 10:41 am to prevatt33
auburn will go 8-4 this season, losing to Washington, Bama, GA, and another team from the West, likely MissSt as it's in Starkville.
Posted on 6/28/18 at 6:40 pm to prevatt33
Field goals: Up to 20 yards, 1 point; 21-30 yards, 2 points, 31-40 yards, 3 points; longer, 4 points.
Do not stop play for any penalty (offsides, motion, etc.) until the play runs out. If the non-guilty party profits, the penalty is ignored.
5 yards for holding.
Do not stop play for any penalty (offsides, motion, etc.) until the play runs out. If the non-guilty party profits, the penalty is ignored.
5 yards for holding.
Posted on 6/28/18 at 10:50 pm to Wroll Tyde
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Do not stop play for any penalty (offsides, motion, etc.) until the play runs out
I hear you regarding what you're getting at, but this would result in a logistical nightmare for the game and the refs. There would be no standardization of pre-snap alignments - it'd be literal chaos. And you are only considering plays where one team commits a penalty. What about plays where both teams commit a pre-snap foul and there is no "non-guilty party"? And secondly, you'd have a lot of teams abuse this rule to run out the clock late in halves.
Fun thought, but it wouldn't work.
This post was edited on 6/28/18 at 10:52 pm
Posted on 6/29/18 at 3:45 pm to prevatt33
Before you crucify me, remember that the thread title asks for wildly unpopular opinions:
I love college sports and I've been a fan my entire life. Some of my favorite memories as a kid involve me and my dad going to college football and basketball games.
That said, college sports as we know them really shouldn't exist. Universities are institutions of learning, and running what are effectively the developmental leagues of the NBA and NFL has nothing to do with their missions. The system that European soccer leagues and basketball teams overseas use of having Under-21 teams and minor league teams for each franchise makes far, far more sense.
The current system isn't going to change anytime soon, and I'd be very sad if it did, but it has a lot of problems and is fairly illogical.
I love college sports and I've been a fan my entire life. Some of my favorite memories as a kid involve me and my dad going to college football and basketball games.
That said, college sports as we know them really shouldn't exist. Universities are institutions of learning, and running what are effectively the developmental leagues of the NBA and NFL has nothing to do with their missions. The system that European soccer leagues and basketball teams overseas use of having Under-21 teams and minor league teams for each franchise makes far, far more sense.
The current system isn't going to change anytime soon, and I'd be very sad if it did, but it has a lot of problems and is fairly illogical.
This post was edited on 6/29/18 at 3:46 pm
Posted on 6/30/18 at 2:19 am to Chuck Barris
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is fairly illogical.
Logic is expendable in the face of profit.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 10:45 am to prevatt33
I wish they’d eliminate timeouts.
Posted on 6/30/18 at 10:56 am to Chuck Barris
I don’t think anyone is blind to the hypocrisy in big time college athletics. It can have a corrupting influence and Bama has certainly had its issues. That said, I still think the benefits outweigh the negatives. Even the most selective colleges play the game so it’s not just limited to big P5 schools.
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