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re: Our Fanbase Has Become Insufferable Regarding Hurts
Posted on 9/10/17 at 6:42 pm to PowHound
Posted on 9/10/17 at 6:42 pm to PowHound
Alabama fans in general lean toward insufferable. People were pissed after the BCS WIN in 2009 because we only threw like 10 passes in the game. WE HAD JUST WON A BCS CHAMPIONSHIP - our first since 1992 - AND PROPLE WERE MAD THAT WE DIDNT PASS ENOUGH.
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Posted on 9/10/17 at 7:15 pm to Bham Bammer
Yep.
Posted on 9/10/17 at 11:49 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
I don't want us to peak right now. We're winning games and Saban still has something to bitch about every week. Which means they aren't going to get complacent. It's about winning championships. Saban has done this before with McElroy, AJ McCheckdown (soph. year), and Coker. It would be awesome to see them trot out every week and beat everyone 50-3 and see Jalen throw for 275-300 and run for about 75. There has been nothing to indicate that is going to happen though.
If you want to talk about wasting WR talent. Julio Jones played when we trotted out JPW and GMac at QB. Saban won a few games then too. We'll be alright.
If you want to talk about wasting WR talent. Julio Jones played when we trotted out JPW and GMac at QB. Saban won a few games then too. We'll be alright.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 7:52 am to PurpleandGold Motown
Scary but what other explanation is there?
Posted on 9/11/17 at 8:00 am to PowHound
People will always find something to complain about.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 8:38 am to MontyFranklyn
Seems to be the playcalling that is the problem. I can't say anything about the Florida St game, you do whatever you have to do to get the win there.
The Fresno game was a perfect game to work on the downfield passing game, but Hurts only dropped back to pass downfield like 3 times the whole game.
We will see against Colorado St if the playcalling changes, if not it will be two wasted opportunities to improve the passing game before SEC play.
As Saban has said, if your not getting better then your falling behind.
The Fresno game was a perfect game to work on the downfield passing game, but Hurts only dropped back to pass downfield like 3 times the whole game.
We will see against Colorado St if the playcalling changes, if not it will be two wasted opportunities to improve the passing game before SEC play.
As Saban has said, if your not getting better then your falling behind.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 8:55 am to remaster916
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Seems to be the playcalling that is the problem.
What problem? The offense with Hurts in the game moved the ball at will, he was extremely efficient, and he was accurate throwing the football. If Fresno State wants to play corners 6 yards off the ball and split high safeties, you're dumb to try and force the ball downfield just for the heck of it. There will be teams that bring a safety up and we'll have a chance to hit deep balls like we did with Ridley last week - but the offensive line has to block better.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 8:59 am to Bham Bammer
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Fresno State wants to play corners 6 yards off the ball and split high safeties, you're dumb to try and force the ball downfield just for the heck of it. There will be teams that bring a safety up and we'll have a chance to hit deep balls like we did with Ridley last week - but the offensive line has to block better.
Exactly... Jalen took what the defense gave him all day long, which was wide open green grass to run for 150+ yards as opposed to throwing into double coverage or forcing throws, etc.
Maybe Colorado State won't play the same defense and will try to do what FSU did (doubtful given their talent level) and we will see more downfield passing. Personally, I would like to just see some quick 10-15 yard throws to the middle of the field to move the chains as opposed to 50-60 yard bombs.
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:05 am to Bham Bammer
If the OL can't block the Fresno DL, then Bama is in for a long year.
If the corners are playing so far back off the receivers, then you adjust your playcalling and have the receivers run short routes and you hit the wide open receivers.
That would still let Hurts stay in the pocket and work on the passing game.
What you don't do in a game like the Fresno game is continuely run your QB for no reason. No reason in the world Hurts should have run the ball 15 times against Fresno. If Hurts goes down, no championship this year.
Like I said the playcalling has to get better.
If the corners are playing so far back off the receivers, then you adjust your playcalling and have the receivers run short routes and you hit the wide open receivers.
That would still let Hurts stay in the pocket and work on the passing game.
What you don't do in a game like the Fresno game is continuely run your QB for no reason. No reason in the world Hurts should have run the ball 15 times against Fresno. If Hurts goes down, no championship this year.
Like I said the playcalling has to get better.
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:30 am to remaster916
I was referring to the OL blocking against Florida State, not Fresno. The OL did fine Saturday.
You're acting like Fresno State sucks arse (which maybe they do). Then is Hurts not going to get better work in practice than he could ever get against that team? Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean that it's not being worked on. I would contend that he probably gets better work in practice than he'll get in all but maybe four or five games this season.
And he only ran the ball 10 times. I don't know how many were designed run plays - maybe half, with probably three of those being option plays. I don't have an issue with Jalen using his legs to move the chains though. It's a strength of his, why not use it?
You're acting like Fresno State sucks arse (which maybe they do). Then is Hurts not going to get better work in practice than he could ever get against that team? Just because you didn't see it doesn't mean that it's not being worked on. I would contend that he probably gets better work in practice than he'll get in all but maybe four or five games this season.
And he only ran the ball 10 times. I don't know how many were designed run plays - maybe half, with probably three of those being option plays. I don't have an issue with Jalen using his legs to move the chains though. It's a strength of his, why not use it?
Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:35 am to Bham Bammer
The staff was letting Tua pass from the pocket, he was hitting open receivers on short routes.
Why not let Hurts do the same? Unless it was Hurts that was bailing on the play and running the ball.
Why not let Hurts do the same? Unless it was Hurts that was bailing on the play and running the ball.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:41 am to remaster916
Were we watching different games? Hurts was throwing from the pocket the entire game. I'm sorry those throws weren't frequent enough or far enough down the field for your liking. And he only took off on I think two plays - maybe three. Hell, Tua was moving around on his throws more than Hurts. They even gave him a boot.
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 9:52 am to remaster916
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The staff was letting Tua pass from the pocket, he was hitting open receivers on short routes.
Why not let Hurts do the same? Unless it was Hurts that was bailing on the play and running the ball.
Then you saw what you wanted to see. I remember when Tua threw back to back hitch routes for complete passes. Jalen came in the next drive and completed the EXACT same hitch route (to the opposite side). My brother and I looked at each other and said that everyone was going to remember Tua's throws and forget the one Jalen just made.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 10:20 am to Bham Bammer
I saw Hurts throwing behind the line or at the line of scrimmage a lot. WR screens, RB out of the backfield, H-back out of the backfield one time, if I'm not mistaken.
Tua's first pass completion went for 7 or 8 yards on a short route by a receiver.
With the DB so far back, that pass was there all game long, don't recall Hurts hitting one though.
Tua's first pass completion went for 7 or 8 yards on a short route by a receiver.
With the DB so far back, that pass was there all game long, don't recall Hurts hitting one though.
Posted on 9/11/17 at 12:00 pm to remaster916
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Our Fanbase Has Become Insufferable Regarding Hurts
I saw Hurts throwing behind the line or at the line of scrimmage a lot. WR screens, RB out of the backfield, H-back out of the backfield one time, if I'm not mistaken.
Tua's first pass completion went for 7 or 8 yards on a short route by a receiver.
With the DB so far back, that pass was there all game long, don't recall Hurts hitting one though.
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Posted on 9/11/17 at 1:29 pm to remaster916
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With the DB so far back, that pass was there all game long, don't recall Hurts hitting one though.
I just told you that he hit one the very next drive after Tua did.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 2:41 pm to KareemAbdul
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I don't get the white knighting for Hurts. He is a C- passer and a A+ runner. It doesn't mean everyone hates him. Just want to see a passing game develop. You really have to be naive to not understand how fortunate he is to win 24-7 with 96 yards passing and last year vs Washington with like 50 yards passing.
Does everyone realize the OL did a horrible job with protection in the FSU game? If people want to complain, why not start with the kicking game.
Posted on 9/12/17 at 3:20 pm to Number1Gump
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Jalen Hurts: ‘The most important stat to me is getting the W’
Jalen Hurts: ‘The most important stat to me is getting the W’
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Posted on 9/12/17 at 4:24 pm to CrimsonBoz
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Posted on 9/12/17 at 7:56 pm to Silverback
Here's another article, from another source, of the same interview session... LINK
I don't think most of the people that are a little concerned care much about the stats, but the lack of work on those things we need work on.
This article I linked notes "Alabama’s offense routinely took what the Fresno State defense gave it" and I've read that same thing on this board and other boards. Jalen's comment that "The most important stat to me is getting the W" is similar. But did we really have to resort to taking advantage of what Fresno State allowed? Isn't our team strong enough to run the plays we want to run vs Fresno State, maybe even if we just run those plays to prepare for the long schedule? Is Fresno State so strong that we didn't expect to get the W?
Most years, we use these relatively easy games to tune up our offense. We didn't seem to do that last Saturday. Maybe vs Colorado State and Vanderbilt. Or maybe we'll just be able to take advantage of what they allow us, and be happy to get the W.
I don't think most of the people that are a little concerned care much about the stats, but the lack of work on those things we need work on.
This article I linked notes "Alabama’s offense routinely took what the Fresno State defense gave it" and I've read that same thing on this board and other boards. Jalen's comment that "The most important stat to me is getting the W" is similar. But did we really have to resort to taking advantage of what Fresno State allowed? Isn't our team strong enough to run the plays we want to run vs Fresno State, maybe even if we just run those plays to prepare for the long schedule? Is Fresno State so strong that we didn't expect to get the W?
Most years, we use these relatively easy games to tune up our offense. We didn't seem to do that last Saturday. Maybe vs Colorado State and Vanderbilt. Or maybe we'll just be able to take advantage of what they allow us, and be happy to get the W.
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