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re: Our Fanbase Has Become Insufferable Regarding Hurts
Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:23 pm to JustGetItRight
Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:23 pm to JustGetItRight
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JustGetItRight
That's b.s. spin, but let me ask you. Do you think Hurts needs work in some facets of his game? Are you concerned that he's thrown only 5 passes and completed only 1 over 20 yards?
This post was edited on 9/14/17 at 3:30 pm
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:38 pm to CrimsonBoz
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Is your name the same?
Yep.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:40 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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Do you think Hurts needs work in some facets of his game?
Everyone on this team needs to work on certain facets of their game.
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Are you concerned that he's thrown only 5 passes and completed only 1 over 20 yards?
Why? We beat the #3 team in the country by 17 at a neutral site. I don't care what his stats are as long as we win. With him as a starter we've won 15 out of 16 games and the one we lost wasn't his fault.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:41 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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Do you think Hurts needs work in some facets of his game?
Absolutely.
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Are you concerned that he's thrown only 5 passes and completed only 1 over 20 yards?
At the moment, no. The few deep shots he's taken have been, with one exception, well thrown balls. If we get deeper into the schedule or he starts throwing a lot of poor passes like last year then we can revisit the issue and I won't hesitate to say that you are right but for now I'm not concerned at all.
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That's b.s. spin
You're the one that changed the criticism from not getting the ball to playmakers to not throwing the deep ball, not me. If you'd have started with that argument, I wouldn't have posted the first reply. Just stick to making true statements.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:52 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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Are you concerned that he's thrown only 5 passes and completed only 1 over 20 yards?
Not really. Also, his TD throw to the TE vs Fresno was either 19 or 20 yards. Right at it.
#1 - FSU Game, 1st and 10, 0-0, 1st qtr
#2 - FSU Game, 1st and 10, 3-7, 2nd qtr
#3 - FSU Game, 3rd and 3, 21-7, 4th qtr
#4 - Fresno Game, 2nd and 3, 7-0, 1st qtr
#5 - Fresno Game, 1st and 10, 7-0, 1st qtr
#6 - Fresno Game, 2nd and 6, 28-3, 3rd qtr
Extra - FSU Game, 3rd and 7, 10-7, 2nd qtr (disallowed due to hold)
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 4:09 pm to SummerOfGeorge
Thanks George, you beat me to it with the TE throw in the Fresno game. In stride, to the TE right down the seam right at 20 yards downfield. Exactly the kind of throw he missed virtually every time last season.
The end zone throw in the Fresno game is the only one of that bunch that bothered me because it was a poor decision.
The end zone throw in the Fresno game is the only one of that bunch that bothered me because it was a poor decision.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 4:10 pm to JustGetItRight
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Thanks George, you beat me to it with the TE throw in the Fresno game. In stride, to the TE right down the seam right at 20 yards downfield. Exactly the kind of throw he missed virtually every time last season. The end zone throw in the Fresno game is the only one of that bunch that bothered me because it was a poor decision.
He had 4-5 throws over 10+ yards against Fresno too (which, ironically, was the big "distance" marker that everyone used after the Florida State game. Guess it needed to be moved back 10 more yards).
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The end zone throw in the Fresno game is the only one of that bunch that bothered me because it was a poor decision
It was the first throw of the year where I said "Damn it Jalen"
Jury is still out, but to act like you are "concerned" about his accuracy after the first 2 games is just pushing a narrative. Decision making and quick reads? Totally agree, I'm not sure where he is there. We will find out down the line. But his accuracy has been fine.
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 4:26 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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ury is still out, but to act like you are "concerned" about his accuracy after the first 2 games is just pushing a narrative.
No. A lot of the discussion in this thread has been about a lack of working on the problem areas, so it isn't just that Hurts is 1 of 5 over 20 yards for the season (according to the article another guy linked) but that against a much weaker opponent we barely worked on those deficiencies. That is the concern for me. I'm a musician, and if I don't work on songs that are giving me trouble, then I'm probably not going to just magically play or sing them correctly on a work night. If, though, I work on those songs at which I am not good, I can improve. It isn't complex.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 4:30 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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It was the first throw of the year where I said "Damn it Jalen"
I said the exact same thing.
In front of the 7 year old.
Wife was not happy.
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Jury is still out, but to act like you are "concerned" about his accuracy after the first 2 games is just pushing a narrative. Decision making and quick reads? Totally agree, I'm not sure where he is there. We will find out down the line. But his accuracy has been fine.
Totally agree. Funny thing is, the end zone throw was accurate, it just wasn't open. From an accuracy standpoint, the only one that's been really bad was an overthrow of a wide open Ridley that would have been a TD in the FSU game.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 4:35 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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but that against a much weaker opponent we barely worked on those deficiencies
Well, I don't disagree there, but as I said in another thread I also think there is a legitimate concern about forcing a young kid to make what would normally be bad decisions (read deep area covered, throw it anyway).
Hopefully Colorado State presses us a little more and we go deep. The best case scenario is we run the crap out of the ball and then they come up and we can both get the OL feeling good and work down the field.
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If, though, I work on those songs at which I am not good, I can improve. It isn't complex.
Except you aren't dependent on the music lining up a certain way to then work on something. We can't just call across the field and tell the defense to play press coverage so we can work on throwing down the field. If they are dropping 2 safeties and playing 8 yards off the ball then there is a real chance we are screwing with our QB's confidence and rhythm in making reads by telling him to ignore those and go deep anyway.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 4:42 pm to SummerOfGeorge
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The best case scenario is we run the crap out of the ball and then they come up and we can both get the OL feeling good and work down the field.
Yeah. That would be good for the confidence of our own team plus give the upcoming opponents another thing to have to prepare for.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 4:44 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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Yeah. That would be good for the confidence of our own team plus give the upcoming opponents another thing to have to prepare for.
Yep. I really think we sometimes (a lot with Kiffin) try too hard to script out these games to help our guys figure out their throws and get confidence and sometime forget that our offensive lineman need to get in a groove too. I understand it, because over the years we've had new QBs who need reps and experience, but our OL need that too. A game full of mauling guys on the other side with 8-9 play action shots down the field feels like a win-win to me.
Who knows, guess we will find out.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 4:55 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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plus give the upcoming opponents another thing to have to prepare for.
Speaking of which, lost in all the Hurts talk is the fact that we threw 3 passes to the tight end in the Fresno game.
I'm pretty happy to see that getting on film.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 6:51 pm to PowHound
I'll worry about the passing game when we can no longer recruit 5 star receivers. They'll know long before we fans figure it out.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 7:22 pm to PowHound
Imagine being an OSU fan this week 
Posted on 9/14/17 at 7:24 pm to Buckeye06
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Imagine being an OSU fan this week
Uh, no thanks.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 9:51 pm to TideSaint
Here's most of my bitch with Jalen. He's improved in several areas but this isn't one of them. The most effective mobile QBs do this: when they feel some pressure in the pocket that's not smothering, they drift away from the pressure or even semi-roll to an open area while continuing their reads and continue scanning the field. Only after running out of time or out of reads do they pull it down and really take off. So if you peel off of your man in coverage to chase the QB, he'll burn you by throwing behind you. If you stay back, he'll run for big yards.
If Jalen feels pressure, he's immediately looking for a running lane and anything downfield is forgotten.
To be great, that needs to change. He needs to learn patience and how to use his legs to just buy time for his eyes. Watch Lamar Jackson do it or Baker Mayfield. They keep both options available as long as possible. If Jalen can learn to do that at least a little, his effectiveness will skyrocket.
If Jalen feels pressure, he's immediately looking for a running lane and anything downfield is forgotten.
To be great, that needs to change. He needs to learn patience and how to use his legs to just buy time for his eyes. Watch Lamar Jackson do it or Baker Mayfield. They keep both options available as long as possible. If Jalen can learn to do that at least a little, his effectiveness will skyrocket.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 9:57 pm to phil4bama
I'd say that's pretty accurate. Forcing throws downfield from the pocket isn't the answer. What you said is.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 5:53 am to phil4bama
I wouldn't say he hasn't improved. Both the 2 point conversion and the 20 yard out to Jeury that was called back were these type plays but overall, yeah if he did those plays half a dozen times in a game hell on wheels would be an understatement.
Posted on 9/15/17 at 8:26 am to phil4bama
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To be great, that needs to change. He needs to learn patience and how to use his legs to just buy time for his eyes. Watch Lamar Jackson do it or Baker Mayfield. They keep both options available as long as possible
Lamar Jackson and Baker Mayfield were the same way their freshman years. Jalen is only 2 games into his sophomore year, and against FSU he had guys running free at him the entire night.
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