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re: Our Fanbase Has Become Insufferable Regarding Hurts
Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:32 am to Bham Bammer
Posted on 9/14/17 at 2:32 am to Bham Bammer
Did you forget about Jake Coker?
He was a playmaker who threw more than just safe passes.
Crazy how our fanbase forgets Coke-boy, who actually had a great arm compared to Hurts or Sims
He was a playmaker who threw more than just safe passes.
Crazy how our fanbase forgets Coke-boy, who actually had a great arm compared to Hurts or Sims
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Posted on 9/14/17 at 3:42 am to uofarolltide
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Did you forget about Jake Coker?
He was a playmaker who threw more than just safe passes.
Crazy how our fanbase forgets Coke-boy, who actually had a great arm compared to Hurts or Sims
All I remember about Coker was about 5 PA deep balls to Ridley a game.
Blake Sims was throw it to Cooper regardless of the amount of people covering him.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 6:32 am to uofarolltide
No, I remember Coker. I remember his starting season Derrick Henry running the ball 35 times a game because that's how much we trusted putting the game in the QB's hands. I remember the birth of the jet sweep pass in our offense that year. I remember VERY FEW times where he read the defense and threw a strike between coverage. For the most part he took the occasional play-action shot deep against 1-on-1 coverage (like Hurts) or threw deep sideline passes (like Hurts) or relied on receivers to get wide open. Let's not try to make Jake Coker into something that he wasn't. He was a serviceable game manager. That's it. It was good enough, and I appreciate him, but that's what he was.
The passing game we had with Coker was actually very similar to what we have now. The difference was he wasn't really a run threat as much as he was capable of making the occasional play with his legs. He had a big arm. I'll give you that.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 7:10 am to Bham Bammer
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The passing game we had with Coker was actually very similar to what we have now.
No. We actually had a downfield passing game with Coker. It took him a few games to come around, but when he did, he was a pretty good college qb. By the end of the year, vs the good defenses in our regular schedule and the playoffs, he was a threat in the air. Hurts regressed last year and in spite of what we read all off season, he doesn't appear to have much improved.
The article posted above....
"Through two games, Alabama ranks 99th in the Football Bowl Subdivision in pass plays that have produced 30 or more yards. The Crimson Tide has only had one of that kind -- the 53-yard bomb from Jalen Hurts to Calvin Ridley that resulted in Alabama's first touchdown of the season in its victory over Florida State.
Then again, Hurts has largely refrained from going deep.
According to ProFootball Focus, only five of his throws have traveled 20 yards or farther in the air. And the only completion among them was the scoring strike to Ridley."
Particularly disconcerting to me was this comment from Hurts.
"We didn't take too many shots in the game... When we called them, I probably didn't have enough time"
The line hasn't been stellar so far yet, but some of the blame for the lack of a bona fide passing game also falls squarely on Hurts' shoulders and he should acknowledge that, imo, rather than basically placing all the blame on his line. That sort of thing isn't something good leaders generally do.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 7:13 am to uofarolltide
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As an Alabama fan, I'm just always left wondering, "What if Baker Mayfield was our QB? What if Johnny Manziel was our QB? What if Deshaun Watson was our QB?"
You mean timeless once in a lifetime players for their schools, oh gotcha. Lol you guys are seriously funny. You hate the scheme we play now and you obviously hate the OC after 2 games.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 7:14 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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I probably didn't have enough time
I read that comment yesterday too. It didn't make me feel warm and fuzzy.
This post was edited on 9/14/17 at 7:17 am
Posted on 9/14/17 at 8:15 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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No. We actually had a downfield passing game with Coker.
Which were almost exclusively what could be categorized as "safe" throws. One-on-one play-action, sideline routes, short, quick passes. Having a Heisman Trophy winner to bring the safeties up didn't hurt, either.
And yes, Coker got better as the season went on. The fact that so many don't want to give Hurts that chance is disappointing.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 8:23 am to Bham Bammer
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And yes, Coker got better as the season went on. The fact that so many don't want to give Hurts that chance is disappointing.
My intent, and I am sure it's the case for most of these Alabama fan posters, isn't to disparage Hurts, but Jalen never improved last year, as Coker did, and he doesn't appear to have much improved in the off season. Attitude such as blaming the line, with comments like "I didn't have time" doesn't help.
Hurts passing game doesn't compare to Coker and Blake Sims, imo, but more to Jay Barker in the 92 season. The difference, though, is that you have to have a legitimate passing game to win the big games these days. We won the 92 title in spite of Jay Barker. That wasn't the case last year.
This post was edited on 9/14/17 at 8:35 am
Posted on 9/14/17 at 9:22 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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but Jalen never improved last year, as Coker did, and he doesn't appear to have much improved in the off season.
0 ZERO proof of this. Sample size is downright tiny. Can we have like half the season? Just like the stupid comments about the OC two games in.
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Attitude such as blaming the line, with comments like "I didn't have time" doesn't help.
That is and was a legit concern, remarked on by the head coach and every single former OL player Bama has had in the last 7 years. STOP
This post was edited on 9/14/17 at 9:23 am
Posted on 9/14/17 at 9:32 am to CrimsonBoz
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Just like the stupid comments about the OC two games in.
I haven't made comments about the O.C. though I haven't yet been impressed.
As for remarks by the head coach, he has also said several times that we need to do a better job of getting the ball to our playmakers. Hurts has failed miserably at doing that.
Yeah. I'm probably not going to stop having an opinion so if it bothers you that some posters on this board don't always share your opinion, then there is always Wooly Al for you. Speaking of which, didn't you say there that you were going to stop posting on this forum which is, according to you, full of morons?
Posted on 9/14/17 at 9:39 am to CrimsonBoz
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That is and was a legit concern, remarked on by the head coach and every single former OL player Bama has had in the last 7 years.
Current OL players have remarked on it too, mainly with respect to stunt & blitz recognition / assigment errors and finishing blocks.
Bama OL players are about 30-lb bigger than CSU's DL players (3-4 scheme), so I expect CSU will blitz considerably.
The OL played better in the 2nd game. Hopefully we'll see incremental improvement this weekend too.
This post was edited on 9/14/17 at 10:17 am
Posted on 9/14/17 at 10:51 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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I haven't made comments about the O.C. though I haven't yet been impressed.
Didn't say it was you that said the stupid comments referring to whoever posted that not long ago today or yesterday.
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Hurts has failed miserably at doing that.
No he hasn't there are many factors contributing to him not passing a lot.
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Yeah. I'm probably not going to stop having an opinion so if it bothers you that some posters on this board don't always share your opinion, then there is always Wooly Al for you. Speaking of which, didn't you say there that you were going to stop posting on this forum which is, according to you, full of morons?
All inside is posted in the Wooly AL VIP area. I actually posted that I was going to stop posting inside info here which I did and strictly post opinion/football talk. I'm not telling you not to have an opinion but don't state your opinion is fact when the coach and former players (Experts at their trade) say otherwise.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:11 am to CrimsonBoz
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All inside is posted in the Wooly AL VIP area.
Ahem.
Why don't I have access to this area?
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:35 am to CrimsonBoz
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I'm not telling you not to have an opinion but don't state your opinion is fact when the coach and former players (Experts at their trade) say otherwise.
You told me to "stop", and I have no intention to stop posting opinion.
As previously noted, the coach has also said that we need to do a better job of getting the ball to the playmakers. Some of you just ignore that.
A question for you: Do you think it's a good idea to work on all facets of the offense vs weaker opponents? No spin. Just a yes or no will suffice.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:40 am to Huddie Leadbetter
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You told me to "stop", and I have no intention to stop posting opinion.
See above on why I said that. Your comment was just wrong based on comments from the team, coach etc.
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As previously noted, the coach has also said that we need to do a better job of getting the ball to the playmakers. Some of you just ignore that.
Not ignored it but recognize there are a lot of factors that go into it. Including protection.
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A question for you: Do you think it's a good idea to work on all facets of the offense vs weaker opponents? No spin. Just a yes or no will suffice.
My answer has and always will be. Execute the plays that are called to the best of your ability. So if the game plan is X you execute it.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:40 am to TideSaint
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All inside is posted in the Wooly AL VIP area.
Ahem.
Why don't I have access to this area?
Could get you hooked up if you would like.
Posted on 9/14/17 at 11:58 am to CrimsonBoz
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A question for you: Do you think it's a good idea to work on all facets of the offense vs weaker opponents? No spin. Just a yes or no will suffice.
My answer has and always will be. Execute the plays that are called to the best of your ability. So if the game plan is X you execute it.
See. I asked for a simple answer with no spin, but you refuse to do that. I'm pretty sure that most folks think that it's smart to work on all facets of the game against weaker opponents, to prepare for the tougher games. That would include working on the intermediate to long passing game, reading defenses, and checking off to secondary receivers. We didn't see that vs Fresno State, which leads me to think Jalen Hurts either didn't or couldn't do those things, or the coaches still don't have confidence in Hurts doing those things.
It's a beaten horse by now, but I said last season that if Hurts didn't get better, and couldn't beat good defenses with his arm, it would tell on us. Well it did, and I'm here to say that it's bound to happen again if he can't improve on those things he lacks, and if we don't work on them, I am at a loss as to how he's going to improve.
edit: So maybe he is doing it to the best of his ability and will never get better. That's very possible.
This post was edited on 9/14/17 at 12:08 pm
Posted on 9/14/17 at 12:11 pm to Huddie Leadbetter
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See. I asked for a simple answer with no spin, but you refuse to do that. I'm pretty sure that most folks think that it's smart to work on all facets of the game against weaker opponents, to prepare for the tougher games. That would include working on the intermediate to long passing game, reading defenses, and checking off to secondary receivers.
No you are trying to lock me into something without explanation. I am not playing your stupid game. Most folks arent the coaches at Bama, most folks arent the players executing their game plan. I'll go with that.
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which leads me to think Jalen Hurts either didn't or couldn't do those things, or the coaches still don't have confidence in Hurts doing those things.
None of that is a fact just for reference
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It's a beaten horse by now, but I said last season that if Hurts didn't get better, and couldn't beat good defenses with his arm, it would tell on us. Well it did, and I'm here to say that it's bound to happen again if he can't improve on those things he lacks, and if we don't work on them, I am at a loss as to how he's going to improve.
You believe we lost the natty because of Hurts, that's your opinions and every expert and sports guru has theirs.
I think we are done with this topic for now, may revisit after 6 or 7 more games.
This post was edited on 9/14/17 at 12:12 pm
Posted on 9/14/17 at 12:17 pm to CrimsonBoz
Wow... comparing a 22 year old, 5th year senior, to a 18 year old, true sophomore. Lol
Gotta love the Bama fan base.
*not directed at you, Boz
Gotta love the Bama fan base.
*not directed at you, Boz
Posted on 9/14/17 at 12:26 pm to CrimsonBoz
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Most folks arent the coaches at Bama, most folks arent the players executing their game plan. I'll go with that
But you're still ignoring the part about Coach Saban commenting that we need to improve on getting the ball to the playmakers. He has said that several times, and even again last week, then it didn't happen. So either Hurts did it "to the best of his ability" (quoting your earlier comment) or the coaches don't have confidence, even against weaker opponents, to open the playbook for him.
edit.... LINK
This post was edited on 9/14/17 at 12:28 pm
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