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re: No more whistling past the graveyard

Posted on 11/6/22 at 3:36 pm to
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 11/6/22 at 3:36 pm to
Here’s what what we’re basically asking from Coach Saban:

- Almost a total staff overhaul including not missing on the right coordinators

- Rebuilding the culture/mentality

- Managing a roster with a ton of turnover

- Maintain the standard of recruiting

We’re asking him to do all of that when other programs have caught up to us and we are on the verge of an SEC with two additional blue blood programs. He’ll also have to do it while the narrative that Alabama is in decline will be louder than ever.

Not to be blunt, but if Saban pulls that off it would be the biggest accomplishment of his career relative to the circumstances. That’s a mighty big ask for someone who is 71 and is starting to show it. This “reset” will be much different than 2010, 2014, etc. That’s why Saban will have to really consider a lot of things at the end of this season because it will take everything left in the tank to pull it off.

Of course if anyone could do it it’s Nick Saban.
This post was edited on 11/6/22 at 3:44 pm
Posted by Syd
Member since Sep 2012
2964 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 3:39 pm to
What sucks is watching Bama 2.0 in Athens and we’ve done a 180 from it.
Posted by Shocco
Member since Nov 2015
1525 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 3:42 pm to
I'd say it would easier to ask Saban to do all that from the position of power he is in, rather than seeing a coach come to a program that has been decimated and they're asking a coach to breath life back into it. Saban has all the resources, talent, etc he could ask for. Its not that he is lacking in anything, but its his decisions that got him in this mess and will have to get him out of it.
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
44365 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 3:46 pm to
quote:

Here’s what what we’re basically asking from Coach Saban:

- Almost a total staff overhaul including not missing on the right coordinators

- Rebuilding the culture/mentality

- Managing a roster with a ton of turnover

- Maintain the standard of recruiting


Point 1 will take care of points 2 and 4 if the right hires are made. Point 3 is just the new reality of college athletics and is going to exist for all programs regardless of any other factors.
This post was edited on 11/6/22 at 3:47 pm
Posted by Hawaiian Punch
Member since Jan 2018
504 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 3:57 pm to
quote:

we are one year removed from winning the SEC. We have lost 2 games by a total of 4 points.


To the OP’s point - this, to me, is “whistling past the graveyard.”

While your statement is true, it does not paint an accurate picture of the UA football program over the ‘21 & ‘22 seasons.

We have had glaring issues within the program since roughly 2018, but have largely been able to mask those deficiencies with stellar offensive units (‘18, ‘19 and ‘20) and/or individual performances from select players (Jameson Williams + BY in ‘21; BY + Gibbs in ‘22). It has finally caught up to us, and even with a returning Heisman-winning quarterback, we struggle to move the ball with any semblance of consistency.

Yes, our two losses this year were by a combined four points. On the flip side, we have been dangerously close to losing a handful of games both this season and last. Following the 2020 season, we have been a “competitive” program; however, we are far from the “dominant” program that we were circa 2009-2017.

A final thought: while BY is a stud and has been critically important to any success we have had during the ‘21 and ‘22 seasons, in hindsight, Jameson Williams now looks as if he was equally as vital to the ‘21 squad.

The fact that our last two seasons have hinged entirely on two players (with one being a transfer) is a massive red flag with respect to the state of our program.
Posted by GooseSix
Member since Jun 2012
19511 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 3:58 pm to
quote:

It seems some of us cannot wait to get to this stage.



The product on the field this year has provided adequate justification this has already occured.
Posted by Chad4Bama
Member since Sep 2020
5673 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 4:35 pm to
My biggest concern, outside of Golding not being fired, is the way Saban sounded last night post-game. That concerns me more than the two losses.
Posted by SummerOfGeorge
Member since Jul 2013
102699 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 4:36 pm to
quote:

Here’s what what we’re basically asking from Coach Saban:

- Almost a total staff overhaul including not missing on the right coordinators

- Rebuilding the culture/mentality

- Managing a roster with a ton of turnover

- Maintain the standard of recruiting

We’re asking him to do all of that when other programs have caught up to us and we are on the verge of an SEC with two additional blue blood programs. He’ll also have to do it while the narrative that Alabama is in decline will be louder than ever.

Not to be blunt, but if Saban pulls that off it would be the biggest accomplishment of his career relative to the circumstances. That’s a mighty big ask for someone who is 71 and is starting to show it. This “reset” will be much different than 2010, 2014, etc. That’s why Saban will have to really consider a lot of things at the end of this season because it will take everything left in the tank to pull it off.

Of course if anyone could do it it’s Nick Saban.



That pretty much sums it up
Posted by cajunbama
Metairie
Member since Jan 2007
30949 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 4:52 pm to
quote:

To the OP’s point - this, to me, is “whistling past the graveyard.”


To me it’s called not overreacting.

We lost by 1 point in the road in OT and a missed/made field goal on the road.

Do things need to be changed yes, clearly.

My main issue with the OP is

quote:

I’m done with Saban and Alabama football unless


that bullshite.

That is crazy Bammer fan overreacting BS.
Posted by phil4bama
Emerald Coast of PCB
Member since Jul 2011
11455 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 5:29 pm to
Cajun, I wouldn’t be at this point you mentioned if it hasn’t been pointed out ad nauseum for at least 2 years that things aren’t ok and need fixing. 2020 masked a lot a problems on defense with Sark pushing the buttons on perhaps Alabama’s greatest offense ever. But Golding has been a problem ever since his hire. He has his moments against overmatched teams but he also has shown time and time again when facing the best offensive minds in the game that he is clearly outclassed. And it gets worse every season. His defense is not evolving but the opposing coordinators get a little more dialed in on his same old calls and packages every season. And ILB has suffered greatly since he became position coach for that group. One of our greatest strengths has become probably our biggest weaknesses.

BOB is what everyone said he was: an NFL mind trying to run an offense that needs first round talent at every position to be successful. And not very creatively at that. His play calling is random, uncoordinated, disjointed, and not cohesive. We might as well have a monkey drawing plays out of a hat. The results are the same.

So please, someone, tell me the last time you saw CNS get pissed off at one of these clowns and rip them a new one. He had no qualms tearing Kiffin and occasionally Sark a new a-hole on national television. Kirby used to get his fair share too. I’m really concerned Saban has become Mack Brown and is just a figurehead to parade the recruits in front of to smile and shake hands with.

And while we sit around waiting for the inevitable, Kirby has built a vintage Alabama clone in Athens and IMHO, Napier is laying the foundation for another one in Gainesville. That’s going to be hard to swallow, having 2 knockoff programs beating our brains out by playing Saban’s game.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62746 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 5:38 pm to
That last play debacle was infuriating.
It wasn't even a really good play call, tbh. I mean, no LSU fan would agree now that it wasn't, because it ultimately worked, but had Bama been disciplined, had all the players on the same page, that pass is not complete for the 2 PT conversion.

I was stunned that no timeout was taken since we clearly had no idea what to do. We were running players in and out, it looked like tbe Tennessee LSU game from the Les Miles / Derekk Dooley era.
Even if you had all the right players in, it is worth calling time out, just so you can see their lineup
This post was edited on 11/6/22 at 5:39 pm
Posted by Notorious1918
San Diego
Member since Aug 2019
279 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 6:16 pm to
i don't know if the offensive and defensive schemes we employ are good or bad. I just know our kids can't run them. We don't play fast on either side of the ball. That's an indicator of people that don't know what they're doing. We don't need a pro offense. We don't need play calls that take 25 seconds just to get everybody lined up. It's time to get back to basics. The best burger joint you know doesn't sell chicken strips too. Just burgers. They focus on what works. I'd rather have a 5 page playbook that we run perfectly over a 50 page playbook that we do an average job with.
Posted by East Coast Band
Member since Nov 2010
62746 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 7:00 pm to
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We don't need play calls that take 25 seconds just to get everybody lined up. It's time to get back to basics.

We have to have the lowest average seconds left on the play clock in the nation. It seems every other play the ball is snapped at :01
Posted by SuperOcean
Member since Jun 2022
3181 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 7:23 pm to
quote:

What sucks is watching Bama 2.0 in Athens and we’ve done a 180 from it.



Has football returned back to what made Bama the Pinnacle? Power run, play action and physical d

That always seemed unstoppable
Posted by ghoast
Member since Jul 2020
887 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 7:42 pm to
Insightful OP.
It all comes down to this for me… Saban USED to despise losing, he would spend an entire off season to skullfrick the opposition the next time they played, or hire a consultant just to game plan for the next meeting.
Now he seems ok with it…I’m sure it bothers him, but definitely not enough to chew asses, like he once did, and make wholesale changes…like he once did.
Posted by Rip N Lip
What does my VPN say?
Member since Jul 2019
5227 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 7:54 pm to
quote:

My serious doubts started with the Clemson raping. The program hasn’t been the same since.



This 100%.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
Member since Feb 2009
52673 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 8:08 pm to
quote:

I agree with changing coordinators and every assistant if that’s what is needed.


But frick this shite

quote:
I’m done with Saban and Alabama football unless


Talk about the definition of a fair weather fan.

Saban is not going to fire both coordinators during the season and tell our fans he is going to make some wholesale changes.

I agree he should say things aren’t working, but I’m not going to threaten that I quit unless x and y happens.

We have been on the greatest run in the sports history. From 2008-2021, fourteen seasons that have seen football change in a 100 different ways in that time frame. It has to end eventually. Whether it already has or not we will only know with hindsight.

If it has ended, we witnessed the absolute greatest to ever do it.

The Saban era will eventually end. And the next one will undoubtedly not be as great as this one is/was.


Well said
Posted by CaptSpaulding
Member since Feb 2012
6502 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 8:10 pm to
quote:

They all grew up on video games where you can get killed and start over fresh with a reset button. There's no reset button in real life.


When exactly do you think video games were invented?
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Tittleman's Crest
Member since Feb 2009
52673 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 8:27 pm to
quote:

The fact that our last two seasons have hinged entirely on two players (with one being a transfer) is a massive red flag with respect to the state of our program


Will Anderson was an absolute stud last season, as well as Dallas Turner. Our D was solid and absolutely contributed to our success.

The problem is is that they were supposed to be even better this season, and somehow they have mostly gotten worse.

I feel like I've watched the defense the entire season just waiting and waiting and waiting for someone to make a play, take the ball away, terrorize a QB, ANYTHING.

But, clearly this defense just doesn't have "the stuff." Disappointing.
Posted by hwnd
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Member since Apr 2010
8114 posts
Posted on 11/6/22 at 9:04 pm to
quote:

Has football returned back to what made Bama the Pinnacle? Power run, play action and physical d
It doesn’t hurt, that’s for sure. Sustaining long drives gives defense time to rest, and keeps a hyped up opponent’s offense on the bench, taking the wind out of them.

I miss the days of our defense just smothering people, and our run game breaking other teams’ will.
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