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NCAA President - no sympathy for coaches, not favorable to transfer restrictions

Posted on 2/20/24 at 4:03 pm
Posted by UsingUpAllTheLetters
Stuck in Transfer Portal
Member since Aug 2011
8508 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 4:03 pm
Interview regarding transfer restrictions

quote:

"I've had conversations with a bunch of coaches who didn't ... walk out on their contracts," Baker said. "One of the things I hear from kids when I talk to them about this issue is, 'Coaches walk out on their contracts. What about us?''

Thoughts?
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
15175 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 4:47 pm to
People will downvote but it is true. Maybe they could make exemptions against transfers in case of retirements, but when coaches walk out on players for better opportunities and more money why wouldn't players follow their lead?
Posted by Robot Santa
Member since Oct 2009
44349 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 5:02 pm to
quote:

"One of the things I hear from kids when I talk to them about this issue is, 'Coaches walk out on their contracts. What about us?''


Something tells me that the idea of having to pay money to terminate a contract early would come as a huge shock to a lot of these guys. If they had to pay back 20% of the value of their NIL deals to be able to transfer without getting sued for breach of contract it might actually fix a lot of the problems.
Posted by UsingUpAllTheLetters
Stuck in Transfer Portal
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 2/20/24 at 5:18 pm to
quote:

Something tells me that the idea of having to pay money to terminate a contract early would come as a huge shock to a lot of these guys. If they had to pay back 20% of the value of their NIL deals to be able to transfer without getting sued for breach of contract it might actually fix a lot of the problems.
Exactly. The current conversation is framed around a misunderstanding of a coach’s contractual obligation, and it is apparently assumed by most that coaches are free to leave a job Willie nillie without buyouts coming into play.
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 5:20 pm
Posted by YStar
Member since Mar 2013
15175 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 5:19 pm to
This may seem like a solution but it just means they would ask for even more money to transfer to make up for what they lose.

It doesn't deter coaching searches that much unless the penalty or buyout is over $10 million... so I don't see it stopping boosters who are already paying these kids hundreds of thousands (if not a couple million).
Posted by UsingUpAllTheLetters
Stuck in Transfer Portal
Member since Aug 2011
8508 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 5:21 pm to
I do think it would tamp down the level of poaching we are seeing at the moment.
Posted by narddogg81
Vancouver
Member since Jan 2012
19672 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 5:31 pm to
quote:

People will downvote but it is true. Maybe they could make exemptions against transfers in case of retirements, but when coaches walk out on players for better opportunities and more money why wouldn't players follow their lead?
they should have to pay buyouts then like coaches do
Posted by Bolivar Shagnasty
Your mothers corner
Member since Aug 2017
654 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 5:33 pm to
I don't think it is a true apple to apple comparison.


With coaches leaving, buyouts are usually in play. The party pursuing the coach usually pays that. I think as someone stated earlier, it will be more expensive to buy athletes if they do contracts that way.

I think making the contracts for 1 year and carry it over into bowl season is what needs to happen. There are other semantics to work out, but issues like FSU this year need to be remedied.
Posted by PowHound
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Member since Jul 2014
6843 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 5:40 pm to
I dont think it's complicated at all.

Saban was correct, we are moving toward players being employees of the school, and their respective deals should be contingent on a contract that binds the players to the school.

From there ironing out the details should not be hard.

Transfer if you want but in these contracts should be a noncompete meaning you're next team would be in the NFL if you decided to leave/transfer/break contract.

The faster everyone understands that we are going to a NFL model, and the faster college ball adopts everything that the NFL does minus a draft the faster everything will work much more smoothly for everyone. It is what it is. Amateur football is dead.
Posted by hwyman108
Member since Nov 2016
1563 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 6:06 pm to
Yep… that pretty much sums it up. No longer student athletes but paid athletes representing the universities in a particular sport. If these rich boosters want to pay them that’s fine, it’s their money.

So when the paid athletes bolt to a better payday don’t get pissed. It’s the adults in charge that created it.
Posted by Richard Dangler
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2015
722 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 6:41 pm to
Seems like the fair way to go about it is if a program accepts a transfer coming in, during the dead period, that the portal should open for them too. Maybe not the full 30 days but maybe a 10-15 day window.
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 6:44 pm
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
21671 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 6:52 pm to
The start of this stuff was the beginning of the end, and everyone over the age of 20, deep down knew it. Unless they find some way to put the toothpaste back in the tube, college sports, on the level we knew, are done. There's no reason to watch a shittier version of the NFL.
Posted by TideWarrior
Asheville/Chapel Hill NC
Member since Sep 2009
11833 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 7:48 pm to
The NCAA is a joke and anything they say has no real merit. I understand to some extent but the NCAA helped create many of the issues we are facing now while they stood by and watched. They no longer have a say in what is going on.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50308 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 8:05 pm to
quote:

Thoughts?


This is why the SEC and B10 have combined to discuss "like interests" or whatever.
This post was edited on 2/20/24 at 8:26 pm
Posted by Chad4Bama
Member since Sep 2020
5667 posts
Posted on 2/20/24 at 11:34 pm to
The sport is dead as truly college football. After 2020 everything turned to crap in this country.
Posted by FairhopeTider
Fairhope, Alabama
Member since May 2012
20759 posts
Posted on 2/21/24 at 12:03 am to
It’s a silly comparison. One is a contracted job with a penalty for early termination and the other is a scholarship.

If you want to leave, that’s fine, but there has to be some sort of penalty. Sitting out a year was fair enough.

This endless pursuit of fairness, whether it’s with transfer/NIL or the playoffs is killing the sport.
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
11143 posts
Posted on 2/21/24 at 6:58 am to
quote:

It’s a silly comparison. One is a contracted job with a penalty for early termination and the other is a scholarship. If you want to leave, that’s fine, but there has to be some sort of penalty. Sitting out a year was fair enough. This endless pursuit of fairness, whether it’s with transfer/NIL or the playoffs is killing the sport.

Reality is the sport has devolved into a situation where both the coaches and the players view their relationship with the schools as “open” and something that is only a short term hookup before they move on to something else equally short term chasing money or pro opportunities.

The fans are basically children of a broken home at this point being scolded that they need to follow the rules (show up to games, pretend this is still amateur athletics and pay more money, etc) when no one else in the equation is doing so.

As the kids say “FAFO”.

The coaches, schools, networks and players are “FA”. I highly suspect in the next decade or so they’re going to “FO”.

Everyone involved decided to treat this as a big business to be run by MBAs and that the best option was to chase short term profits. That’s fine, but they can’t be surprised when the fans start treating them as a product to be evaluated objectively and that if they find it wanting they can opt out of buying.

I suspect with the rose colored glasses and nostalgia stripped away its a pretty easy choice for many people and that the ADs and presidents end up wishing they’d never gone full end stage capitalism with their “product”.
Posted by Bham Bammer
Member since Nov 2014
14476 posts
Posted on 2/21/24 at 9:53 am to
The NCAA is on borrowed time. I don't know why anyone felt that college athletes deserved more than they were getting in the first place. If they didn't like the arrangement, they didn't have to play. Go take out a loan, put yourself through school, and hit the workforce.
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
24863 posts
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:07 am to
quote:

People will downvote but it is true. Maybe they could make exemptions against transfers in case of retirements, but when coaches walk out on players for better opportunities and more money why wouldn't players follow their lead?


This should all be addressed with basic arms length transaction contract law. If a coach or school terminates a coaching contract early then there are financial consequences (e.g., buyouts) that are customarily built into contracts to appropriately allocate this risk. Eventually these NIL deals will adjust to multi-deal years with appropriate penalties for early termination as well. I just don't think we are there yet, but it won't take long. That won't completely stop the crazy transfer situation but it will regulate it some when players have financial skin in the game for transferring.
Posted by Teague
The Shoals, AL
Member since Aug 2007
21671 posts
Posted on 2/21/24 at 10:50 am to
quote:

The NCAA is on borrowed time. I don't know why anyone felt that college athletes deserved more than they were getting in the first place. If they didn't like the arrangement, they didn't have to play. Go take out a loan, put yourself through school, and hit the workforce.


I agree 100%. A free education and a chance to audition for the nfl is a hell of a deal.

The only thing I'd change is if they could have come up with a way for athletes to profit off of NIL WITHOUT it being a way to buy players, I would have supported that. For example, the LANK shirts. That's what it should be.
This post was edited on 2/21/24 at 10:51 am
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