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re: "I will be taking a knee every game in high school this season." - Kayvon Thibodeaux
Posted on 8/13/18 at 6:54 pm to Tide or Die87
Posted on 8/13/18 at 6:54 pm to Tide or Die87
A big deal was made because a handful of players were protesting....it wasn't even 1%.
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Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:31 pm to Fells
quote:that's when you look at the choices of that kids parents. You eventually will see a pattern. Personally I'm doing everything in my power to make sure my kid is as privileged as humanly possible.
So a kid growing up in Fairfield has the same opprotunities and resources to be successful in life as a kid growing up in Mountain Brook?
Also, that's a dumb comparison that assumes there are not affluent black people making good choices to put their kids in a good position and that there are not poor white people putting their kids at a huge disadvantage in life.
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 7:35 pm
Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:39 pm to narddogg81
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that's when you look at the choices of that kids parents
Maybe their parents were also in the same dilemma of not having the same opporunties and resources as the kids over the mountain?
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Also, that's a dumb comparison that assumes there are not affluent black people making good choices to put their kids in a good position and that there are not poor white people putting their kids at a huge disadvantage in life.
No, it assumes that there are significantly less affluent black people.
Systemic poverty effects white people too, and my comparison doesn't discount that.
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 7:42 pm
Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:46 pm to narddogg81
I don't think it benefits us as a society to abandon children because they have bad parents black, white or whatever. That tends to lead to a cycle of poverty and crime which cost us way more than improving our system. Investing in our children on the front end saves us a ton when we don't have to provide social programs or even worse pay for incarceration on the back in. Many times we come out way better when the child is a successful, productive member of society. No one is saying only help children of minorities who face in major unequities through no fault of their own.
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 7:50 pm
Posted on 8/13/18 at 7:53 pm to Fells
Even people in (insert your favorite hood here) thrive from American privilege. You show me someone complaining that they dont have any path to a much better life in this country and i will show you a first class idiot.
There are many areas on Earth where this is true, but the United States of America isnt one of them. If you work hard, educate yourself, surround yourself with other honest hard working people, build social networks, develop new skills, and have a winning personality you will succeed. If you use the failures of your parents to make excuses for yourself, do not try to work hard to better yourself every day, and surround yourself with other like minded losers then you will most likely fail. Even in that "failure" you will most likely; own a car, have a roof over your head, have food paid for you by other honest hard working citizens, and many other wants. You have these because of american privilege, and you fail because you choose to be a failure.
There are many areas on Earth where this is true, but the United States of America isnt one of them. If you work hard, educate yourself, surround yourself with other honest hard working people, build social networks, develop new skills, and have a winning personality you will succeed. If you use the failures of your parents to make excuses for yourself, do not try to work hard to better yourself every day, and surround yourself with other like minded losers then you will most likely fail. Even in that "failure" you will most likely; own a car, have a roof over your head, have food paid for you by other honest hard working citizens, and many other wants. You have these because of american privilege, and you fail because you choose to be a failure.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:01 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
This is a rigged game, a study came out of Princeton confirming that we have an oligarchy in this country.
We have youths graduating from substandard educational institutions (backed by substandard parenting) only to find they're qualified for burger-flipping jobs----jobs that will soon be automated in the not so distant future.
We have youths graduating from substandard educational institutions (backed by substandard parenting) only to find they're qualified for burger-flipping jobs----jobs that will soon be automated in the not so distant future.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:11 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
This is way too broad of a statement. There are gangs, religious traditions, families etc, that will not allow some to take advantage of American privilege. Some children will be neglected, abused, starved, and even killed before they can “save themselves”. While a few will escape it, those who are unfortunate enough to be stuck with a lack of or poor education from an early age will face incredible odds to “succeed.”
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 8:21 pm
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:24 pm to Carlton
There are millions of people in this country that come from those situations and still succeed. The path is always tougher from the bottom to the top but that is why you work hard to better yourself. Then when you have children give them a step up by doing everything in your power to give them the best parenting and education available.
For many immigrants that come to this country they are often past their time to become very successful, but they still find success way better than where they came from. But that is not why many come here. Its because they know their children have a direct path from the bottom to the top through hard work. Asians, indians, hispanics, eastern european, and african immigrants have all had high success with second generations.
If your community is that bad maybe its time to stop defending it and time to take more accountability. Lame excuses will never help you better yourself.
For many immigrants that come to this country they are often past their time to become very successful, but they still find success way better than where they came from. But that is not why many come here. Its because they know their children have a direct path from the bottom to the top through hard work. Asians, indians, hispanics, eastern european, and african immigrants have all had high success with second generations.
If your community is that bad maybe its time to stop defending it and time to take more accountability. Lame excuses will never help you better yourself.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:34 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
Other than op and a few others badmouthing and saying they don’t want a top recruit that our team and our staff badly want to come here, how is this conversation related to Alabama football?
It’s literally people arguing about their fundamental political beliefs at this point. This is not the forum.
I hope this young man knows that if he comes to Bama, he will find love and acceptance in our locker room as we try to win championships. The rest of you need to get a grip.
Mods are asleep at the switch with this one.
It’s literally people arguing about their fundamental political beliefs at this point. This is not the forum.
I hope this young man knows that if he comes to Bama, he will find love and acceptance in our locker room as we try to win championships. The rest of you need to get a grip.
Mods are asleep at the switch with this one.
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 8:36 pm
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:47 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
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There are millions of people in this country that come from those situations and still succeed. The path is always tougher from the bottom to the top but that is why you work hard to better yourself. Then when you have children give them a step up by doing everything in your power to give them the best parenting and education available.
People tend to move our of poverty because of a strong economy not because of a can do attitude. LINK
The working poor is a big part of our society and not all of them make it.
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For many immigrants that come to this country they are often past their time to become very successful, but they still find success way better than where they came from. But that is not why many come here. Its because they know their children have a direct path from the bottom to the top through hard work. Asians, indians, hispanics, eastern european, and african immigrants have all had high success with second generations.
My point focused on groups of people who do not have support from their family and communities and generally speaking face poor resources for education.
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If your community is that bad maybe its time to stop defending it and time to take more accountability. Lame excuses will never help you better yourself.
What is this in reference to? I personally have talk mostly about the misrepresentation on how terrible the African American community is.
Children who are starving, being abused, or neglected in any community are not making lame excuses, they need help.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:49 pm to Fleurs
I'll move on but nothing negative has happened. Just getting a different perspective. It didn't stay with KTs and his beliefs but the post is about his politics which would likely lead to a politcal conversation.
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 8/13/18 at 8:53 pm to Fells
quote:my parents were the children of sharecroppers, lived as children in houses without indoor plumbing and picked cotton after school. They were as poor as it was possible to be, but they made good choices with an eye to giving me better opportunities, and I'm doing the same thing. That's how you change your situation, you take stock of where are you, see what you can do to improve your situation, and don't worry about what's happening in mountain Brook.
Maybe their parents were also in the same dilemma of not having the same opporunties and resources as the kids over the mountain?
I don't buy for a second that the issue here is lack of opportunities. The system is practically begging to reward black kids who show any inclination to succeed through scholarships, internships, differing admissions standards. I went to a high school with 50/50 black to white split. Nobody was more tormented than the black kids who wanted to learn. And it wasn't the white kids doing the tormenting.
This post was edited on 8/13/18 at 8:54 pm
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:05 pm to narddogg81
Alright last one. I work in Higher Education. I can guarantee you there is a lack of opportunity at the flagship and land grant institutions across the US. Many talented students across this country either are unaware of their educational opportunties or can't afford them as well.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:07 pm to narddogg81
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my parents were the children of sharecroppers
Same as mine. My grandpa lived in a house he said he could see the stars at night. Farmed the land himself as a teen and had no father in the house. Worked hard and went from the very bottom to a successful middle class. To see people make excuses, just pathetic. You were born into american privileged, just by being here you have a great opportunity that many in the third world crave. Stop crying about it and being a loser.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:23 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
5 fricking pages and no one has mentioned this woman's ear rangs? I mean they go inside her neck. Pretty Dope.
Also, can anyone confirm that this dude has eyeballs? I'm not 100% sold he is the #1 recruit without eyeballs.
Also, can anyone confirm that this dude has eyeballs? I'm not 100% sold he is the #1 recruit without eyeballs.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:27 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
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Same as mine. My grandpa lived in a house he said he could see the stars at night. Farmed the land himself as a teen and had no father in the house. Worked hard and went from the very bottom to a successful middle class. To see people make excuses, just pathetic. You were born into american privileged, just by being here you have a great opportunity that many in the third world crave. Stop crying about it and being a loser.
My grandfather left home at 14 during the Great Depression looking for work to help his father, a coal miner, support their family.
My grandmother grew up working on a farm with her mom and dad, who were dirt poor sharecroppers.
Neither had a college education, but they worked their asses off to create a good life for themselves and their family.
No welfare, no government subsidy, no affirmative action. Just old fashion determination and self discipline.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:32 pm to Carlton
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Alright last one. I work in Higher Education. I can guarantee you there is a lack of opportunity at the flagship and land grant institutions across the US. Many talented students across this country either are unaware of their educational opportunties or can't afford them as well.
Except for the “unaware” part, maybe.
Anyone can get a student loan these days. Anyone.
Just about anyone can join the military and take advantage of the GI Bill.
There is no lack of opportunity in this country.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:35 pm to CrimsonTideMD
If those programs were available back then, they prob. would've used them. The New Deal for the most part was workfare (not saying your folks did WPA or what not). Another thing, was minimum wage was barely into existence in early 1930s. A lot of folks would argue minimum wage killed a lot of low level jobs that Teens and others used to do (gas station attendant, delivery boy, etc).
Walter Williams on minimum wage.
Walter Williams on minimum wage.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:38 pm to CrimsonTideMD
At the end of the day if you haven't walked in someone else'shoes you're just giving an opinion. So all of this is pointless especially about whose grandparents did what. Being born here is not a privilege for everyone.
Posted on 8/13/18 at 9:40 pm to Shaft Williams
Athletes aren't on the field for the national anthem in college. Pretty much a non-issue for us isn't it?
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