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Posted by hwyman108
Member since Nov 2016
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Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:34 pm to
Ha a does a good job scheming an offense but he’s not the best head coach as far as running a program. If he was he still wouldn’t be at OM
Posted by WW
Member since Dec 2013
2598 posts
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:34 pm to
Kiffin changed Alabama football for the better. Saban lost a natty by firing him. I wish he were our coach.
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
8623 posts
Posted on 1/7/25 at 10:39 pm to
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Kiffin is a great offensive mind but he can’t divide the fishes and feed the multitudes or raise the dead and people talk about him like he can


I certainly don't think that. Not at all. I said I wanted DeBoer the day Saban retired. But Kiffin did change the offense. This isn't debatable. BAMA had 100 more attempts passing for the season from 2013 to 2014.

AJ broke the single season passing record in 2013 only to have it broken the next season by Sims.

Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4655 posts
Posted on 1/7/25 at 11:31 pm to
No thanks, and I would wager that if Nick Saban has any remaining clout in the program, it will never happen.
Posted by BamaDude06
GOATville20
Member since Jan 2007
3682 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 12:47 am to
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Belichik would've been perfect in ATL for the organization but horrible for the fans. They'd rather go 8-9 with Morris than 10-7 with Belichik.


Belichick would have demanded control over the roster and his last years in New England showed that absolutely cannot happen. Throw in converting his DC to an OC with a young QB and no real skill around him shows you why he's at UNC and not the NFL.
Posted by Rip N Lip
Zambodia
Member since Jul 2019
6972 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:20 am to
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Saban lost a natty by firing him. I wish he were our coach.


Who was the OC (Kiffin) in 2014, with Derrick Henry @ RB?

Chose to go hero ball in CFP semifinal versus Ohio State in 2014?

Lane Kiffin. Dude legit cost BAMA more than he was worth. Still does.

You can get hell and take Kiffin with you. frick THAT CLOWN.

RMFT
Posted by PuertoRicanBlaze
Book Board Admin
Member since Apr 2024
6720 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 1:45 am to
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I wish he were our coach



Kiffing lost three games with Jackson freaking Dart commanding his offense. Do you honestly think we lose to Tennessee, Oklahoma and Michigan with Dart behind center given the fact that we had receivers wide open on almost every play?

Hard pass.
Posted by UhOhOreo
Los Angeles
Member since Jul 2014
3198 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 2:01 am to
We didn’t go hero ball against Ohio State, Blake Sims threw the ball directly to Vonn Bell with a wide open OJ Howard. And then he threw a pick six in another play

Main reason we lost that game was Blake and the defense. Didn’t help that we lost Reggie and Landon during that game
Posted by InkStainedWretch
Member since Dec 2018
4655 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 8:19 am to
This is the deal IMO: Our fanbase has always liked to put its faith in individual leaders. That one man who's large and in charge and ruling the roost and coming up with the ideas and ways to win. Doesn't matter if it's the head coach, the OC or the DC.

The idea of Kiffin, this master play caller ... and I wholeheartedly concede that he is that and he did do good things for us when he was here but he ultimately imploded ... doing his thing on our sideline appeals to them.

I don't put my faith in individuals to that extent, pretty much in anything, football or otherwise. It wouldn't matter to me if we had an OC by committee as long as we score points and get W's.

Again, W's are what it's all about, because you get enough W's you play for the big trophy.

Posted by Ten Bears
Florida
Member since Oct 2018
4689 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 8:41 am to
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We didn’t go hero ball against Ohio State, Blake Sims threw the ball directly to Vonn Bell with a wide open OJ Howard. And then he threw a pick six in another play


I was at that game and while my memory might be rusty, I seem to recall being up 21-0 in the first quarter and Derrick Henry was killing them.

And then nothing.
Posted by JIB
Member since Sep 2013
2357 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 8:47 am to
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I was at that game and while my memory might be rusty, I seem to recall being up 21-0 in the first quarter and Derrick Henry was killing them.

And then nothing.


Your memory is rusty. Bama never got up 3 TDs in the game. It was 14-6 at the end of the first quarter.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
Bayou Chico
Member since Feb 2009
55832 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 8:56 am to
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Your memory is rusty. Bama never got up 3 TDs in the game. It was 14-6 at the end of the first quarter.



you're right, but we did go up 21-6 early in the second.
This post was edited on 1/8/25 at 8:59 am
Posted by Marktastic86
Pismo Beach, CA
Member since Dec 2020
20339 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:07 am to
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I was at that game and while my memory might be rusty, I seem to recall being up 21-0 in the first quarter and Derrick Henry was killing them.

I was at that one too. It was 21-6 and OSU scored twice before halftime. The moment was too big for Sims, especially when we went down in the game. He would have benefited greatly by Kiffin feeding Henry who just couldn't be stopped, whether you handed or dumped it off to him. Criminally under-used in that game.
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
8623 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 9:31 am to
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Belichick would have demanded control over the roster and his last years in New England showed that absolutely cannot happen


So Belichik isn't the GOAT anymore? Lol.

Patricia was the OC, because Josh McDaniels raided his staff of coaches and some executives when he left for the Raiders. Belichik always controlled the roster while he was in New England. You know, the one that won 6 Superbowls?

Falcons are so much better off with Morris who has had exactly one winning season as a head coach.

This post was edited on 1/8/25 at 9:38 am
Posted by tattoo
Fantasy Island
Member since Oct 2017
1969 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 10:05 am to
It was both Kiffin AND Sarkisian who were the primary culprits in the 2016 season championship loss vs Clemson.

Sarkisian because he focused on the pass too much - essentially 50/50. Alabama was too reliant on the pass though they were inefficient: 14-32 155 yds, 4.8 ypa, run 34 carries , 221, 6.5 ypa. Alabama had 8 drives 1:15 or less, 9 drives 2:00 or less, 1 drive 3:56 punt, 1 drive 2:31. This resulted in both teams having 17 full possessions. Ala averaged less than 1:30 per possession.

Clemson scored 1 time in its first 10 possessions, 4 of its last 7 vs Alabama’s tiring defense. Even without Eddie Jackson this was likely the great D of all-time but it won’t be remembered as such because of 17 possessions even when running the ball very well even without Bo in the game. His backups that year were Damien Harris and Jacobs.

But Kiffin primarily because he was derelict in his duty to the program and Saban.
Posted by scottydoesntknow
Member since Nov 2023
9598 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 10:15 am to
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Kiffin changed Alabama football for the better. Saban lost a natty by firing him. I wish he were our coach.


2 NC after Kiffin...4 before

I realize the game changed...but ushering in the air raid made Bama change identity
Posted by Carlton
Forced LANKing made the GOAT Retire
Member since Feb 2016
14699 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 10:35 am to
I live most of the time in NEW England so I can speak to this a little. Up here Belichick is considered the GOAT coach but a mediocre GM, especially after Tom left and quite frankly during the end of Tom's time there. There is a huge debate for some about who is more responsible for the Pats success Brady or Belichick. There were questions about Belichick's roster management/drafting especially after Tom left and really a good bit before. He was considered especially bad at drafting in early rounds, skill positions and really bad a drafting wide receivers. There is a pretty legendary story of him advising Arthur Blank not to trade to get Julio and go with Jonathan Baldwin who was as good if not better in Belichick opinion. And Towards the end free agents really didn't want to come play for him, especially considering how cheap he was. Brady covered up a lot of O line and receiver issues over the years for him. In regards to Patricia and he hired Joe Judge as well, neither with OC experience cause he was comfortable with them. Mcdaniels took the Oline coach and the Mick Lombardi. Many thought he promote the TE coach Caley, he could have had Adam Gase and he could have pushed for O'Brien. Plus Belichick is awful to the media and owner. In the end Kraft was tired of him. Morris probably wasn't a great hire but Belichick can't get a job cause he wants to be the GM and nobody thinks he is a good in that area at this point and he is a pain in the arse. He and Blank are good friends and Blank passed. Him not hiring Blank is independent of Morris. He saw what Kraft went through and passed.
This post was edited on 1/8/25 at 10:40 am
Posted by FightingOkra
Member since Oct 2024
185 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 10:48 am to
Belichick's record without Brady is 83-104. I think it's obvious the reason for his success. Brady was 37-20 with a Super Bowl ring without Belichick.
Posted by UASports23
Basketball School
Member since Nov 2009
25710 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 10:52 am to
Belichick also couldn’t swap teams to a stacked team. While people want to compare Belichick with and without Brady records, it isn’t always an apple to apple comparison.

That Tampa team was stacked in comparison to the Patriots
Posted by Gideon Swashbuckler
Member since Sep 2019
8623 posts
Posted on 1/8/25 at 10:53 am to
I lived on Cape Cod for years. I get the culture.

Blank wanted to hire Belichik (he interviewed him twice- once on his yacht), but he let Rich McKay talk him out of it, then he removed McKay from his position of the day-to-day operations after the fact. Nobody in the front office, including CEO McKay wanted Belichik because they were fearful he'd fire their asses. And rightfully so. The group that leads the Falcons dont know their asses from their elbows.
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