scottydoesntknow

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You know, sir, there actually is much we agree on. (I gave you an upvote, FYI). And much we disagree on. Perhaps we can be less disagreeable in discussing things.

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I agree, I get a little fired up about this and can tone it down some. I have strong feelings about all this despite not being that young and being reasonably well off.

My sister applied for probably about 1000 entry level, full time jobs after graduating college. We have set young people up for failure by telling them to go tens of thousands into debt to get a degree with the promise of a career that doesnt exist

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There are still nearly 15 million Americans working in manufacturing. But socks and power tools are the kind of manufacturing you want back? Aiming low there …

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I suppose playing dumb is your best argument here.

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I’m friends with the industrial development authority director in my town. He spends his days chasing manufacturing plants and laughs at people who think that’s the kind of manufacturing he ought to be chasing. He’s chasing jobs with high salaries and good benefits. Sock plants ain’t them.

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Theres plenty of room in this country for high level manufacturing(which doesnt employ that many people) and mid to low level manufacturing. America did just fine when we made all our socks, power tools, and everything else we bought. When you pay your neighbor for the product, he then has money to spend at your business and your other neighbor's business. When you pay China for the product, China and the middlemen corporations get all the money. That money isnt going back into your community.

Its a privilege to sell your products to the US consumer because our ancestors built an economic powerhouse(based off making things) that we still benefit from today. There should have always been a huge penalty for outsourcing manufacturing meant for American consumers overseas to slave wage labor. It was effectively cashing in on the work of previous generations to enrich yourself in the moment...a specialty of Boomers.

Bringing back "sock factories" is the only lifeline we have. What we are doing now where we make a select few high level things(that dont employ enough workers) and the rest of the economy is a consumer, service and government job economy doesnt work. Its a temporary thing that is only propped up by printed money. When everyone acknowledges that the emperor has no clothes, then the whole thing blows up

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Not good. Recession imminent by July.

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Most of the country has been in a recession for years

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There are oodles of manufacturing jobs here

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False

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I ask again, should the government compel businesses to change their models of operation, and by extension force consumers of all ages to pay higher prices for products, to ensure high-paying middle-class manufacturing jobs for high school graduates who bring no skills to the table?

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Interesting how you are framing your stupid questions. These "businesses" dont exist. There arent sock factories and power tool factories with big "help wanted" signs. Nobody is compelling businesses to do anything. Its perfectly fine to say "if you want access to American consumers, you will pay for it, or youll make your products in America. Tariffs are a timeless economic weapon to protect your nation's economy, especially against antagonistic ones that engage in currency manipulation and slave labor.

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I will be honest in saying I don't know what to do with them. Other than say train yourself to find a productive place in today's workforce, or go on UBI.

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So a corporatacracy and a giant welfare state, funded by imaginary money. This is the future yall are willing to pass on to the next generations so that yall can live in comfort in retirement.

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the plan is to retain the worst of the model and expand it (large deficit expansion) and somehow make it even worse (tariffs).

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Lies. Ive never heard once the administration state this is their plan. It may be what YOU assume the plan is. The President has said hed sign a balanced budget bill. There is a GOP majority Congress...I wonder why this hasnt happened

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This is the world I was referring to, from another post: And it’s not likely to contribute one iota toward what POTUS has convinced his most rabid followers that he’s going to do … bring back old-school smokestack manufacturing to the US so that people with a high school education or less who love their mamas and Jesus and have strong backs and good work ethics and can say yes sir and no sir can make comfortable middle class livings. My fear is how those people are going to react when they find out at the end of the day that the world they seek is never coming back, ever, because it doesn’t exist anymore and no tariffs will restore it. There was a story in the British paper The Telegraph recently where they went to West Virginia and talked to coal miners who have been reduced to poverty by the move away from coal and the constant refrain was how they want to get even with everyone who’s preventing them from living the kinds of lives they want to and working the kind of jobs they want to … changing and adapting instead of clinging to those things are simply not considerations … and I fear that is going to be the final act of this. But it’s easy to yell “China first.” You will no doubt accuse me of stereotyping the people I described. On the contrary, that describes my father to a T and he was one of the finest men ever to draw breath. He worked for nearly 40 years at a steel plant. I would not be where I am today without what he did there and the opportunities he had there. As his father did before him. But I also realize that s**t changes and it's silly to cling to something as a birthright or an entitlement instead of accepting that it's not there anymore and adapting and doing what it takes to function in the new world. I'd like to think my father, who had many skills, would have found a way to adapt. Nobody is getting their foot into a modern manufacturing facility, even as janitor in a place that makes toothpicks, unless you have been trained past the secondary level to possess a specific desirable skill. The POTUS has tried to convince his followers otherwise; again there's going to be hell to pay when they find out it was all a work, because I understand their attraction to the man because they think they have been s**t upon and ignored and marginalized for 50 years and are desperate for an advocate and they don't really have anything to lose anymore. And given some of the talk on the Political Board, which I tried to dive into gingerly and am not revisiting, they've morphed from traditional conservatism practically into Bolshevik class warfare.

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What a load of defeatist garbage. You people cant even give a realistic economic model going forward other than to "keep the ship afloat until im dead"

Boomer: "things changed, we cant make things cheap enough"
Young person: "how do we pay China for cheap shite since we dont make anything here and dont have jobs"
Boomer: "Quit asking questions and get with the times"
Young person: Well can we at least lower regulations, taxes and environmental laws so that I can make products cheaper here
Boomer: "No, just take your little govt stipend and be content!"

Well darn I guess we should continue with business as usual. Fire up the money printing machine!

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Fed is going to restart QE in Q3 this year, in all likelihood, which will make Trumps policies look better than they have been.

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Gotta keep the fake economy going at any cost!

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As expected you didn't list anything

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Dont cry about it