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re: Exactly how good is Bryce Young? Start as a freshman over Mac good?
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:36 am to uofarolltide
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:36 am to uofarolltide
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Honestly, we should all be hoping Bryce Young wins the job, because that will mean he’s the special talent which he’s purported to be.
but if he doesn't start, especially early, that doesn't mean he isn't as talented as advertised. As noted in this thread, there is a lot of difference in the situation with Jones being here 3 years and playing pretty good when he finally got the chance (the 2 picks aside), and no returning qbs with experience in Jalen's first year.
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Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:45 am to John Milner
You’re going to get snarky pushback, but McCorckle did do a pretty good job. The first pick was a bad overthrow. I don’t know if he choked or if it was just a physical mistake, but it was his first real game and a hostile road environment at that. The second pick was bad luck. Sure he should have thrown it away, but crap, the ball hits your guy in the arm and bounces right into a practically unaware defender’s arms? Only Auburn at their place against us.
I actually foresee Saban preferring Mac next year, doubling down on the power run game with down field shots, back shoulder throws, screens and some of the RPO quick slant stuff to stay somewhat explosive with the skill guys. I think he goes back to the Bama way of making people hate having to play us.
I actually foresee Saban preferring Mac next year, doubling down on the power run game with down field shots, back shoulder throws, screens and some of the RPO quick slant stuff to stay somewhat explosive with the skill guys. I think he goes back to the Bama way of making people hate having to play us.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:55 am to 3down10
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Mac Jones will start next year. If he struggles, you might see someone else.
Its Mac's team right now......Young or even Tua if he really decides to return are going to have to win it.
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 9:57 am
Posted on 12/4/19 at 9:58 am to 14&Counting
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even Tua if he really decides to return are going to have to win it.
C’mon man
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:14 am to BigBird09
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also throwing risky passes and picks
You cant verify that brother. It's just an excuse that folks made to justify Saban leaving the goat Bama quarterback on the bench in favor of a guy that could only throw for a 100 yards per game. There was no good reason for Tua to waste a year of eligibility watching Hurts struggle all year.
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:51 am to YStar
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Mac won't be out starter next year.
I'm shocked you, of all people, submitted this hot take.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 10:54 am to Commander Data
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You cant verify that brother. It's just an excuse that folks made to justify Saban leaving the goat Bama quarterback on the bench in favor of a guy that could only throw for a 100 yards per game.
I'm not going to get into it, because it doesn't matter one bit anymore, but this isn't exactly true.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:02 am to Sl0thstronautEsq
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I don't think he throws a great deep ball
Agree, outside of the pass he threw to Devonta Smith after the first pick 6, his deep balls were off, at least for the last game. He missed an open Jeudy on a post and two or three of his deep sideline passes sailed out of bounds where the receiver never had a play on it.
I did think his short and medium route passes, aside from the pick sixes, were good...and he threw several darts when he stepped up in the pocket.
We've been spoiled on deep balls for the most part. AJ, Blake, Coker, and Tua were all good at it...
Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:16 am to OldPete
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Blake
It took him awhile to get the deep ball. He had to work on his timing because was all the time throwing the ball too late.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:17 am to 3down10
Came in here to read about a young, exciting qb and then a Jalen vs Tua 2017 argument breaks out. My goodness
Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:22 am to gumpinmizzou
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Came in here to read about a young, exciting qb and then a Jalen vs Tua 2017 argument breaks out. My goodness
Ahh, the good ole days!
Posted on 12/4/19 at 11:30 am to 3down10
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It took him awhile to get the deep ball.
You're probably right early in the season...but by the Florida game, he was pretty spot on with the long ball for the rest of that season...
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 11:46 am
Posted on 12/4/19 at 12:17 pm to Glorious
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Notable QBs vs. this AU defense (keep in mind that Fromm is the only one that played @AU. And that every other QB had 20 or more starts under their belt) Justin Herbert: 28/37 (75%) 242 yards (6.5 average) 1td 0int QBR: 43.4 Kellen Mond: 31/49 (61%) 335 yards (6.8) 2tds 0int QBR: 54.9 Joe Burrow: 32/42 (76%) 321 yards (7.6) 1td 1int QBR: 60.9 Jake Fromm: 13/28 (48%) 110 yards (3.9) 3tds 0int QBR: 21.0 Mac Jones: 26/39 (67%) 335 yards (8.6) 4tds 2Ints QBR: 66.4 If Mac starts for 2 years, he’ll play 4-5 games as challenging as this Auburn defense on the road
So he had twice as many interceptions as those 4 QBs combined. I’m not saying that Mac wasn’t solid outside of those 2 interceptions, but they happened. Saban would’ve taken any of those 4 players stat lines over Mac’s in a heartbeat. Saban hates turnovers and the whole reason he’d go for an experienced QB over the more talented one is turnovers.
You also have to look at those stats a little differently, because the game plan was clearly to let Mac beat them and they stacked the box. Didn’t watch their game with LSU, but I’d wager that wasn’t the plan for Burrow. Also have to realize that our Mac plan didn’t involve many difficult or risky throws and there was still 2 pick-6s.
Also, I’m not saying Mac won’t win the job, but to pretend that his only real playing time against Auburn will make Saban want to go with him strictly based off of him having “plenty of action” in games when it mattered is nuts. This is in no way the same situation as the Jalen over Tua scenario. If Mac wins the job, it won’t be because of his “experience” in games when it matters.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 12:43 pm to BigBird09
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So he had twice as many interceptions as those 4 QBs combined. I’m not saying that Mac wasn’t solid outside of those 2 interceptions, but they happened. Saban would’ve taken any of those 4 players stat lines over Mac’s in a heartbeat. Saban hates turnovers and the whole reason he’d go for an experienced QB over the more talented one is turnovers.
I mean sure but one of the turnovers was a 1/1000 play. It’s not all that fair to judge an entire performance on a fluke. Also 3 of the 4 listed are future 1st round picks with at least 2 seasons worth of starts under their belt.
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You also have to look at those stats a little differently, because the game plan was clearly to let Mac beat them and they stacked the box. Didn’t watch their game with LSU, but I’d wager that wasn’t the plan for Burrow. Also have to realize that our Mac plan didn’t involve many difficult or risky throws and there was still 2 pick-6s.
True but Herbert, Burrow, and Fromm were not asked to do what Mac was asked to do. They needed to score more than 27, 20, and 14 respectively to win. All but the last of which wasn’t in Jordan Hare
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 12:48 pm
Posted on 12/4/19 at 12:54 pm to Glorious
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I mean sure but one of the turnovers was a 1/1000 play. Also 3 of the 4 listed are future 1st round picks with at least 2 seasons worth of starts under their belt.
Maybe the way it popped off of Najee’s back, but the throw itself was a terrible decision. That ball should’ve been thrown in the dirt and those are the kind of decisions Saban hates. I also covered why it’s pointless to look at the stats of those QBs when the game plan for Auburn is going to be completely different for them than it was against Mac.
This is again getting far away from my point in that this is in no way a similar scenario to Jalen over Tua.
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 12:56 pm
Posted on 12/4/19 at 12:55 pm to Glorious
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I mean sure but one of the turnovers was a 1/1000 play. It’s not all that fair to judge an entire performance on a fluke
The play was sort of a fluke, but it most certainly was a bad throw. Plain and simple. Najee was wide open. I'm not even saying that it was all Mac's fault because he had a guy in his face and was just trying to get it out. But it was indeed a bad throw.
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 12/4/19 at 12:59 pm to Funky Tide 8
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The play was sort of a fluke, but it most certainly was a bad throw. Plain and simple. Najee was wide open. I'm not even saying that it was all Mac's fault because he had a guy in his face and was just trying to get it out. But it was indeed a bad throw.
I'm not holding it against him.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 2:51 pm to OldPete
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You're probably right early in the season...but by the Florida game, he was pretty spot on with the long ball for the rest of that season...
Oh yeah go back and watch the VT game that year.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 3:26 pm to Goldtide1
I think it's going to be a repeat of the Jalen-Tua situation. Mac starts until things are going south even though all you hear about is how much better the backup is. Finally the backup comes in and you wonder what took so long. Last time was understandable considering it was Jalen but I hope it doesn't take 14.5 games to figure it out next time.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 3:28 pm to tmjones2
The backup QB is almost always the best QB on teams.
Everyone wanted the same things with Barnett over Coker, etc.
Everyone wanted the same things with Barnett over Coker, etc.
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