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re: Exactly how good is Bryce Young? Start as a freshman over Mac good?
Posted on 12/3/19 at 5:52 pm to AlbertMeansWell
Posted on 12/3/19 at 5:52 pm to AlbertMeansWell
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Were are going to have a Kelly Bryant / Trevor Lawrence type situation
The Kelly Bryant/Trevor Lawrence situation was Clemson's version of the Jalen Hurts/Tua Tagovailoa situation.
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Posted on 12/3/19 at 5:59 pm to RollTide33
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Jalen didn't really struggle that season until around the State game.
In 15 starts, 2 games over 200 yards in passing...
Posted on 12/3/19 at 6:05 pm to MoarKilometers
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In 15 starts, 2 games over 200 yards in passing...
Most of those games were half games though.
That's all I will add to this subject.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 6:15 pm to MoarKilometers
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In 15 starts, 2 games over 200 yards in passing..
remember the oft repeated claim that "we just haven't had to use the passing game yet"
Posted on 12/3/19 at 6:22 pm to John Milner
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Remember the oft repeated claim that "we just haven't had to use the passing game yet"
It wasn’t really incorrect. Those teams beat the brakes off of the majority of the schedule.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 6:28 pm to Bham Bammer
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It wasn’t really incorrect.
The implication was that the passing game would produce when we needed it. And then Auburn happened. And then the first half of the national title game happened.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 6:30 pm to remaster916
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He probably won't start the USC game, but might before the season is over.
Blake Barnett started the USC game. Didn't finish.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:09 pm to ATLabama
I don’t see next year being at all similar to the Hurts-Tua situation. Mac Jones knows how to play the QB position and is very proficient at it.
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:17 pm to LittleJerrySeinfield
Here is the good news re: Mac/Bryce - we're not gonna run over everyone for 2 months and then have to wait to find out until November.
USC and Georgia in the first 3 weeks. Performance in those 2 games will force the issue real damn quick.
USC and Georgia in the first 3 weeks. Performance in those 2 games will force the issue real damn quick.
This post was edited on 12/3/19 at 9:18 pm
Posted on 12/3/19 at 9:20 pm to Goldtide1
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Exactly how good is Bryce Young? Start as a freshman over Mac good?
Similar to Tua. He might even be better.
Why Steve Sarkisian was key in Alabama landing blue-chip QB Bryce Young
(AL.com | Sep 24)
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 10:33 pm
Posted on 12/4/19 at 3:17 am to RollTide33
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Jalen didn't really struggle that season until around the State game. I think a better comparison would be the year before when Saban ended up going with Jalen over Bateman and Barnett. That's more what this situation reminds me of.
I really hate beating this horse but Jalen struggled in every game that season. He only threw for around 100 yards against FSU even with three NFL receivers on the field. Even if you take away his poor performance in the games, Saban saw Tua dissect his defense in practice everyday. Anyway, I am done with this because I love Jalen Hurts and he gave his all to this team and program.
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 5:22 am
Posted on 12/4/19 at 6:52 am to Commander Data
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I would take that bet that Mac wont start. Saban stuck with a pretty subpar quarterback in Hurts as a sophomore in 2017 even when it was clear to everybody with a lick of sense that we won those games in spite of his poor play that year. Saban loves him some experience.
Jalen was coming off of an SEC Offensive POTY performance as a true freshman. From what I remember, Tua was throwing bombs in practice, but was also throwing risky passes and picks. Saban hates that. This situation couldn’t be more different. This is way more similar to the season where Hurts came in and won the starting job his freshman year. Not sure where everybody gets this “Saban loves him some experience” takes. Would he prefer if they had experience? Yes, as he should. But the overwhelming majority of the time the best players play. How many freshmen did we play this year?
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 6:54 am
Posted on 12/4/19 at 7:00 am to BigBird09
Not at QB, he doesn’t. He wants experience and he wants to know what to expect out of his QB. Bryce Young will not start vs USC. Hurts was a different situation with no clear cut experienced guy with snaps taken with the 1’s when it mattered. Mack has been here going on 3 years with some starts now and plenty of action as THE guy. He will begin the season as the starter or Saban really has changed.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 7:07 am to Goldtide1
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Exactly how good is Bryce Young? Start as a freshman over Tua good?
Depends on his rehab.
Tuas coming back, boys
Posted on 12/4/19 at 7:08 am to phil4bama
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Not at QB, he doesn’t. He wants experience and he wants to know what to expect out of his QB. Bryce Young will not start vs USC. Hurts was a different situation with no clear cut experienced guy with snaps taken with the 1’s when it mattered. Mack has been here going on 3 years with some starts now and plenty of action as THE guy. He will begin the season as the starter or Saban really has changed.
Plenty of action as the guy when it matters? Are you serious? He’s played in one game when it mattered and threw 2 pick-6s. Picks in practice are what kept Tua on the bench his freshman year.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 7:33 am to BigBird09
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Plenty of action as the guy when it matters? Are you serious? He’s played in one game when it mattered and threw 2 pick-6s. Picks in practice are what kept Tua on the bench his freshman year.
Yeah, I agree with Phil to an extent, but gotdang those pick sixes were bad.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:01 am to Commander Data
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I would take that bet that Mac wont start. Saban stuck with a pretty subpar quarterback in Hurts as a sophomore in 2017 even when it was clear to everybody with a lick of sense that we won those games in spite of his poor play that year. Saban loves him some experience.
I think Saban just doesn’t like taking a guy’s starting job away (especially if he has a chance to go pro), and giving it to a younger, better player
In this case, I think the QB race will be pretty much wide open.
He let Jalen start his freshman year.
I think Saban also loves mobile QBs and Bryce Young I think will be the most mobile QB on the roster. I think it’ll be a close race, and I hope that Bryce Young does turn out to be a superstar level QB.
Honestly, we should all be hoping Bryce Young wins the job, because that will mean he’s the special talent which he’s purported to be.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:14 am to BigBird09
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Plenty of action as the guy when it matters? Are you serious? He’s played in one game when it mattered and threw 2 pick-6s.
Notable QBs vs. this AU defense (keep in mind that Fromm is the only one that played @AU. And that every other QB had 20 or more starts under their belt)
Justin Herbert: 28/37 (75%) 242 yards (6.5 average) 1td 0int QBR: 43.4
Kellen Mond: 31/49 (61%) 335 yards (6.8) 2tds 0int QBR: 54.9
Joe Burrow: 32/42 (76%) 321 yards (7.6) 1td 1int QBR: 60.9
Jake Fromm: 13/28 (48%) 110 yards (3.9) 3tds 0int QBR: 21.0
Mac Jones: 26/39 (67%) 335 yards (8.6) 4tds 2Ints QBR: 66.4
If Mac starts for 2 years, he’ll play 4-5 games as challenging as this Auburn defense on the road
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 8:24 am
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:14 am to RollTide33
I seem to recall a statement from Saban regarding the QB winning the team's confidence in response to a question of Jalen vs Tua early on. CD is correct, Saban will play experience over talent every day of the week. I think he knew Tua was the choice but perhaps was concerned with the team's response. Hindsight is a wonderfully useless thing.
Posted on 12/4/19 at 8:17 am to BigBird09
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From what I remember, Tua was throwing bombs in practice, but was also throwing risky passes and picks.
what you remember is a few people with an agenda claiming that Tua was throwing picks in practice. In live games over 3 years he threw only 11 picks and set the all time ncaa single season record last year for pass efficiency.
Not trying to perpetuate this topic when his career at Alabama is probably over anyway, but let's deal in facts and not in rumor that, especially in retrospect, appears to be extremely dubious.
edit to note that in his true freshman year, Tua got a lot of playing time for the backup and threw 2 interceptions the entire year. That "throwing picks in practice" bullshite was to justify why he was not starting, though when he did play he was throwing a touchdown once every 7 times he attempted a pass.
This post was edited on 12/4/19 at 8:24 am
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