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re: Am I the only Bama fan upset about Urban Meyer's career possibly coming to an end?
Posted on 8/2/18 at 12:09 am to arp0925
Posted on 8/2/18 at 12:09 am to arp0925
Report: Urban Meyer knew about 2015 domestic violence incident involving ex-assistant
Report: Zach Smith said he'd take everyone at Ohio State down
Report: Zach Smith said he'd take everyone at Ohio State down
This post was edited on 8/2/18 at 10:44 am
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Posted on 8/2/18 at 4:44 am to CAbamafan
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I quickly glanced at the story, but why should Urban Meyer be at fault for some other guy beating his wife? What kind of society is this?
What happens between a man and his wife is their business. If the wife feels unsafe, contact the police. It's that simple
Are you 94 years old and from Mississippi?
Posted on 8/2/18 at 5:11 am to TomRollTideRitter
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I don't think this is the end of Urban's career
He'll be an analyst for Saban
Posted on 8/2/18 at 6:45 am to arp0925
He has been shady all the way back to his UF days.
Posted on 8/2/18 at 8:05 am to arp0925
Personally, I couldn't care less.
Posted on 8/2/18 at 8:21 am to Teague
no charges were ever filed against this coach! a couple years later, his wife decides she wants paid or something, and goes after meyer. so this is where we are. any female can make any allegation against any man and boom, he loses everything. SHE REFUSED TO FILE CHARGES AGAINST THAT COACH! but now, it's urban meyers fault? all because SHE SAYS SO?
GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT, yeah thats the law. oops, my bad. Guilty, regardless!
GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT, yeah thats the law. oops, my bad. Guilty, regardless!
Posted on 8/2/18 at 8:54 am to crimsontater
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no charges were ever filed against this coach!
Someone brought up a point to where lots of women don't file charges because their life gets threatened if they do. Maybe this is the case
Besides that there is a track record of it happening and Urb acknowledged as much. Then Urb fired the dude literally about an hour after the initial story broke last week...for no apparent reason.
Urb probably knew. But he probably talked to the dude and he brushed it off as she's crazy, making shite up, etc...
Regardless, if your job revolves around getting mom's to trust you with their son, raising money, then as the CEO you do your research on an employee then make a decision. Urb didn't do that, he said the story was made up by McMurphy.
People get suspended and fired all the time for stupid things they say on social media because it reflects on the company. Urb should have at least suspended the dude until due diligence was done.
McMurphy said there are hundreds of texts between the dude and his ex threatening her life. He also said she could have made them up but by the pure volume it would take someone several years to create.
If there were no previous issue (as 2009 is a fact) and numerous times police were called (as has since been reported by a Cleveland newspaper) then I would probably agree with you.
This post was edited on 8/2/18 at 9:01 am
Posted on 8/2/18 at 9:05 am to crimsontater
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crimsontater
*Edit* Actually, never mind. I don't feel like arguing today.
This post was edited on 8/2/18 at 9:39 am
Posted on 8/2/18 at 9:29 am to PCRammer
Yep. Police were called to their residence multiple times between 2012 and 2015. And while no charges were ever filed, she filed for divorce several weeks after the 2015 incident. And Zac Smith was fired by Meyer after the original McMurphy story broke and after he found out Smith violated the restraining order his ex-wife had against him.
This post was edited on 8/2/18 at 9:33 am
Posted on 8/2/18 at 10:53 am to crimsontater
I'm the first one to state that a person is innocent until proven guilty, but that really only applies to criminal cases, which this is not. I also wholeheartedly agree that in some states, the laws meant to protect women have gone too far regarding what happens to men solely based on the word of a woman.
Having said that, there's much more to this issue. There's ample evidence that Meyer, his wife, and multiple other state employees at 2 different state institutions not only failed their title IX duties, but actively covered up something they were obligated to report, did it over several years with multiple instances of abuse, lied to their superiors about it,and then coerced/intimidated the victim. The name Hiram de Fries will be widely know soon, as he is Meyer's "life mentor", known "fixer", and one of the guys who visited the victim and "convinced" her not to press charges.
This is really, really bad and everyone involved is likely F'ed in the A.
Having said that, there's much more to this issue. There's ample evidence that Meyer, his wife, and multiple other state employees at 2 different state institutions not only failed their title IX duties, but actively covered up something they were obligated to report, did it over several years with multiple instances of abuse, lied to their superiors about it,and then coerced/intimidated the victim. The name Hiram de Fries will be widely know soon, as he is Meyer's "life mentor", known "fixer", and one of the guys who visited the victim and "convinced" her not to press charges.
This is really, really bad and everyone involved is likely F'ed in the A.
Posted on 8/2/18 at 11:03 am to prevatt33
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failed their title IX duties,
Did they though? I thought Title IX would only be applicable to a student.
I really don't know I am just posing the question?
I don't relish Meyer's career ending like this but it appears he failed his responsibilities on multiple levels
Posted on 8/2/18 at 11:11 am to FairhopeTider
1 Coach is a 6-Time National Championship, and the other is a 3-Time National Champion. A tie-breaker isn’t needed.
Posted on 8/2/18 at 11:19 am to prevatt33
I just don't think that multiple men should lose their careers because one guy punched his wife. Just because it might've been the right thing to report the incident doesn't mean someone should be made to suffer for not reporting it. I'm just arguing a philosophical point, irregardless of the law. It doesn't make sense.
How would you feel if it came out that Lane Kiffin hit his wife 3 years ago, and Saban knew about it but didn't fire him. Would you think Saban was some horrible person worthy of firing?
I don't believe this should come back on anyone but the man who hit his wife
How would you feel if it came out that Lane Kiffin hit his wife 3 years ago, and Saban knew about it but didn't fire him. Would you think Saban was some horrible person worthy of firing?
I don't believe this should come back on anyone but the man who hit his wife
This post was edited on 8/2/18 at 11:20 am
Posted on 8/2/18 at 11:28 am to FairhopeTider
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She reached out to Shelley Meyer, who had a legal & moral obligation to report the issue.
What law? I'm genuinely curious. I wouldn't be that surprised there is a law applicable to Shelley Meyer in this situation but just want to understand more about it. Also is Shelley facing a criminal charge or civil liability for failing this legal duty?
Posted on 8/2/18 at 11:43 am to saban n bear
guys, i want to be crystal clear. i am in no way defending that coache's actions. truthfully, i think he should be beat to a pulp, if he actually did what she claims. let him feel what it's like, here again, if he's guilty.
i just seen a post in the other thread about this situation. that made me edit this post.
if she dropped the charges at the request of urb's and bruce, then off with their heads.
i just seen a post in the other thread about this situation. that made me edit this post.
if she dropped the charges at the request of urb's and bruce, then off with their heads.
This post was edited on 8/2/18 at 12:03 pm
Posted on 8/2/18 at 11:48 am to TidalSurge1
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Report: Zach Smith said he'd take everyone at Ohio State down
Guy was not bluffing.
Posted on 8/2/18 at 12:41 pm to CAbamafan
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I just don't think that multiple men should lose their careers because one guy punched his wife. Just because it might've been the right thing to report the incident doesn't mean someone should be made to suffer for not reporting it. I'm just arguing a philosophical point, irregardless of the law. It doesn't make sense.
My understanding is that Urban's contract specifically requires him to report issues of sexual or physical abuse once he's aware of them. I believe his wife's contract requires the same, since she's a university employee.
That's the crux of the issue with Urban. If he knew, and didn't report it, he can be terminated with cause for violating the terms of his contract. And it's not just some random university employee -- it's a guy on his staff, who's been with him for quite a long time.
If he didn't know ... well, that's what the debate is about right now. It's pretty hard to accept that he didn't know, but that would be his only defense at this point.
Posted on 8/2/18 at 1:00 pm to CAbamafan
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How would you feel if it came out that Lane Kiffin hit his wife 3 years ago, and Saban knew about it but didn't fire him. Would you think Saban was some horrible person worthy of firing?
Mostly.
Posted on 8/2/18 at 1:55 pm to arp0925
i'm pretty indifferent, certainly not upset.
Posted on 8/2/18 at 1:58 pm to crimsontater
Based on early evidence, Urban failed in his duties under Title IX. This is pretty cut and dry if the early reports are accurate.
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