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RollTide1987
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re: Alright, season or no?
This is really a long-winded way to try to keep from admitting you were wrong about it being the government's job to promote welfare in the United States.


bamameister
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re: Alright, season or no?
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This is really a long-winded way to try to keep from admitting you were wrong about it being the government's job to promote welfare in the United States.




Do you know what citizens do when the government continues to let people down, even in a crisis? The best you can.

It's a long-held tradition in this country.


Chancellor
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BHam
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re: Alright, season or no?
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not going down a partisan bickering track.


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The Spleen




That'd be a welcome change. I'm not holding my breath, though.


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TideWarrior
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re: Alright, season or no?
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And you think this virus is a accident? Better think again...



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RollTide4Ever
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re: Alright, season or no?
Someday in the distant future, the concept of a government will no longer be viable anywhere in the world.


TideWarrior
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re: Alright, season or no?
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It's funny to me that so many people feel so strongly about not judging all cops due to actions of a few "bad apples", while at the same time cherry picking isolated events and applying them as representative of the protests.


You may want to fact check a few things in the future.

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Forbes shows that as of June 8, there have been at least 19 reported deaths that have happened during protests.


None of those have been by the police and 14 of those were black.

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As of July 5, 2020, at least 26 people have died during the protests, with 22 due to gunshot wounds.


This does not include people killed indirectly like the little girl dancing in her house for her grandmother. Her the grandmother in Durham who was killed by stray bullets. None of those were by police.

That number is greater in the last 7 weeks then in then the last 7 months where only 14 unarmed black men were killed by police in this country. So I was not cherry picking just pointing out using a fact.

I have no issue judging how the police need reform. But I am not also blind to the fact that the protest have not helped the cause or movement. Until we as people can learn to police ourselves by not looting, burning, and shooting each other, I am not sure why we feel we can justify reform in the police when we fail to do it ourselves.


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TideWarrior
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re: Alright, season or no?
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Someday in the distant future, the concept of a government will no longer be viable anywhere in the world.




I think the majority fail to understand how our government is structured from the start. It was created with a hands off approach for those that had power could do as they may. It was never established to grant us rights or serve our needs. The idea of the founding fathers was that we were given rights at birth that could not be denied by a government or entity and that we were all able to fulfill our needs the way we felt was appropriate.


RollTide4Ever
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re: Alright, season or no?
I'll also make another prediction, you will see some comeback of the monarchy in some countries in the interim. Brazil would've been a power by now had they never overthrew their monarchy. The idea that a king was less intrusive in the average joe's life than an elected official is a sad state of affairs.


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bamameister
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re: Alright, season or no?
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I think the majority fail to understand how our government is structured from the start. It was created with a hands off approach for those that had power could do as they may. It was never established to grant us rights or serve our needs. The idea of the founding fathers was that we were given rights at birth that could not be denied by a government or entity and that we were all able to fulfill our needs the way we felt was appropriate.




I would think after the civil war that concept got even more fuzzy.



TideWarrior
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re: Alright, season or no?
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I would think after the civil war that concept got even more fuzzy.



It did as reconstruction did even more damage. Instead of trying to unite, as Lincoln I truly believe wanted, one side was forced to comply.

The institution of slavery by the elite in the south believed it was shielded from the power of the federal government but in the end post war even those outside of the elite in the south were punished at the hands of the federal government and why today so many, especially in the south refuse to acknowledge as having any right over their well being or choices. Hence why so many refuse to wear a mask more so out of principle.


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The Spleen
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re: Alright, season or no?
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I think the majority fail to understand how our government is structured from the start. It was created with a hands off approach for those that had power could do as they may. It was never established to grant us rights or serve our needs. The idea of the founding fathers was that we were given rights at birth that could not be denied by a government or entity and that we were all able to fulfill our needs the way we felt was appropriate.





It was also structured in a way that the "we" only applied to white male property owners. It was destined to be modified to fit the actual population at some point and that is what primarily forced the federal government to expand power.


RollTide4Ever
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re: Alright, season or no?
There's truth to that. Had America been more tolerant and open-minded from the start, the country would've been in better shape. Imagine a thriving black middle class starting in 1860s instead of 1950s or so---that's huge when it comes to politics. No social justice politics coat tailing off real issues affecting AAs, etc. In general, more people would have skin in the game and would avoid socialism and its ilk.

AAs didn't start to ascend economically (generally speaking) until the great migrations took place---leaving sharecropping for manufacturing jobs in the north and elsewhere. In return, this alleviated a great deal of poverty that exists in the south.


RollTide1987
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re: Alright, season or no?
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Had America been more tolerant and open-minded from the start, the country would've been in better shape.


You can substitute America with any other country and the same would be true. The United States of America was a product of its time. It was formed during an age of enlightenment and the Founders incorporated some of the most progressive views of the era into its formation. The world was advancing in the right direction but it wasn't there yet. It would take almost 50 years from the time of the Constitutional Convention to the time Europe began abolishing slavery. We weren't the first western power to abolish slavery to be sure, but we certainly weren't the last. We were also ahead of the game for most western nations when it came to issues like women's suffrage.
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IB4bama
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re: Alright, season or no?
back to the season:
these are not my ideas, but I think thy will play fewer games, start early, end later so that there is a week between games. Maybe back to back games to start the season. So the players safety is the big concern. But, the players-probably 99 % will have better medical care, better nutrition-food, tested weekly, and maintain safer conditions than if they were at home. Playing every other week reduces the chance that you run short on players due to positive tests.
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IB4bama
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re: Alright, season or no?
Sounds like we will have college football. It might be without many fans, though. The schools can keep the players healthy, but not the idiot fans. Over and over these schools are proving that the athletes are much better protected from the virus than the general population.


phil4bama
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re: Alright, season or no?
Only until the athletes start acting like the immature adults most of them are and sneak off to a party or a bar and mingle with God knows who. Then they bring the virus into the locker room unknowingly and the shite hits the fan. It's guaranteed to happen unless you make them literal prisoners.


IB4bama
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Member since Oct 2017
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re: Alright, season or no?
If they are at home they would do that, for sure. Or be running the streets and getting into worse things than the virus. At school, they will be under the threat of not playing the next 2 weeks. Its just like going to class, the coaches will ride that ass. They would be in a much healthier place at school. So where do you think are they better off?


phil4bama
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re: Alright, season or no?
At school, for sure, but if you think college athletes are going to stop chasing a piece of ass, 'Rona or no 'Rona, you haven't been around many of them. Hell, the NBA players are getting paid shitloads of money to isolate themselves in Disney and that's been a total shitshow so far.


Cobrasize
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Birmingham
Member since Jun 2013
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re: Alright, season or no?
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At school, for sure, but if you think college athletes are going to stop chasing a piece of ass,


I’m with you. College kids would walk thru a 300 yard land mine field if they believe they have a chance at some arse


LovetheLord
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re: Alright, season or no?
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You can substitute America with any other country and the same would be true. The United States of America was a product of its time. It was formed during an age of enlightenment and the Founders incorporated some of the most progressive views of the era into its formation. The world was advancing in the right direction but it wasn't there yet. It would take almost 50 years from the time of the Constitutional Convention to the time Europe began abolishing slavery. We weren't the first western power to abolish slavery to be sure, but we certainly weren't the last. We were also ahead of the game for most western nations when it came to issues like women's suffrage.



The US Constitutional Convention wanted to end slavery, years before other nations. They weren’t ultimately able to, but the desire was there for many. Slavery was ultimately to profitable in the agrarian south.


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