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frogtown
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Extreme is what the Republicans tried to pull off.


Do you even know what the Republican plan was at the time? It was the Graham Cassidy plan and it was pretty simple. It took the money from the Obamacare taxes then block granted it back to the states. It let the states choose what health care delivery system they wanted. In other words, it was federalism. You need to be smart enough to realize what might work in California might not work in Maine or vice versa. Under Graham Cassidy if a state wanted to keep Obamacare then it could keep Obamacare. Or if a state wanted a free market approach then it could have a free market approach. Or if a state wanted to try universal coverage they could try universal coverage.

What was also good about Graham Cassidy is that you would have 50 different experiments providing healthcare. We would be able to easily determine what works best and what doesn't. What is low cost and what isn't. What delivers the best care per dollar. So fricking tell me...what is so extreme about that? What is the fricking problem with that?
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frogtown
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I simply said it's not extreme


To a conservative, having the federal government basically take over 20% of the economy like it did with Obamacare is as fricking extreme as it gets. To a left wing clown, whose every day intention is to control the people by whatever means necessary, it might not be extreme.
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chillmonster
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Don't be so gullible. Yes I know that bad things happen to good people and no system is perfect, but don't believe that 66% of BK's are medical. It's horse shite.


Must be nice to live in a world where you the only things that are real are things you wish to be real. I'm sure six year old you is sure happy he grew up to be a football player-doctor-astronaut-detective.


dawgfan24348
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When you ask people why they failed financially, there will almost always be some kind of health excuse.

That's a convenient excuse with nothing to back it up.

Let's just ignore the absurd costs of ER visits, x-rays, cost of ambulance rides, being out of network, ect.

Point is there's a reason why ever other first world country has UHC. It's pretty simple, either we have it right which is a system that can drown a person in debt if they get sick or every other country is right which is a system that is paid through taxes and covers every one.

UHC means no worrying about being out of network, no worrying about surprise bills, no massive bills at all, no worrying about having no insurance if you lose your job, and no worrying about if you can even afford to go to the doctors


deeprig9
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Gloss over every other verifiable fact I posted?




VADawg
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Point is there's a reason why ever other first world country has UHC.


That also comes with an astronomically high tax rate. For example, someone in the UK who makes $62k/year falls in the 40% tax bracket. That is fricking absurd and should never be a thing here.

$62k/year falls in a 22% tax bracket here, by the way. Also, while $62k/year may sound like a lot to a college student like yourself, trust me when I say that it really isn't that much when you're living on your own by yourself. For that to fall in a 40% tax bracket is damn near criminal.
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FinleyStreet
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A new study from academic researchers found that 66.5 percent of all bankruptcies were tied to medical issues —either because of high costs for care or time out of work. An estimated 530,000 families turn to bankruptcy each year because of medical issues and bills, the research found.

Other reasons include unaffordable mortgages or foreclosure, at 45 percent; followed by spending or living beyond one’s means, 44.4 percent; providing help to friends or relatives, 28.4 percent; student loans, 25.4 percent; or divorce or separation, 24.4 percent.


I do not understand this math.


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dawgfan24348
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You should check out the actual cost of M4A and the tax brackets Bernie proposed before saying that. I posted them in this thread you can check it out


VADawg
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Wealthy people are way too smart to allow themselves to be taxed that much. They're smart and so are their accountants. Sanders is a fricking nut job for many reasons, and that is one of them.


dawgfan24348
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Did you actually go through the thread or are you just going to ignore that?


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VADawg
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I saw that shite on page 2. Looks perfect for a socialist utopia.


RD Dawg
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to a college student like yourself,


This explains everything.

No wonder he has no grasp of history, economics, reality or healthcare and the reason he continually regurgitates "right-wing propagana" and "disengenous" in every other sentence.

Get a job bro,pay some taxes and buy a house...then we can talk


dawgfan24348
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socialist utopia

You keep using that word but you don't know what it means.


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dawgfan24348
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Get a job bro,pay some taxes and buy a house...then we can talk

Translation: "I can't come up with a defense of my claims so I'm just going to belittle you based on your age"
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chillmonster
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No wonder he has no grasp of history, economics, reality or healthcare and the reason he continually regurgitates "right-wing propagana" and "disengenous" in every other sentence.

Get a job bro,pay some taxes and buy a house...then we can talk


Don't pull the chord on your chute because the kid's smarter than you.


deeprig9
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Are you a college student? Do you work part time? Are you in a program like medical school or law school where you can't work part time?


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RD Dawg
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Don't pull the chord on your chute because the kid's smarter than you.


Hasn't made one substantial point but I respect his effort.

Hell,I understand where he's coming from...I voted for Walter Mondale as a college student.

What's your excuse for having the politics of a college student?


RD Dawg
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Translation: "I can't come up with a defense of my claims so I'm just going to belittle you based on your age"


I defended every point I made but first you called me liar,then disengenous and then "right wing propaganda."

Did not make one false claim in regard to the Iran deal and I'm pretty sure I enlightened you on couple points. Hard to get correct information surrounded by a safe spaces and left wing echo chambers.

And yes,paying taxes,investing in your future and having a career usually changes one's idealism from their days as a college student. It called wisdom and expirence and hopefully one day you'll understand what it means.

You have no idea what the real world has in store for you but I wish you the best . I just pray to God you don't go become an educator or journalist

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MacDawg
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We need to reframe the argument. This isn’t Dems vs Pubs any more. It’s marxists/communists/statists vs individual freedom.


Close but no, imo. It's the Oligarchy establishment (the small percentage of career politicians, lobbyists, high level govt beaurocrats and extremely wealthy) that truly run everything using every tool at their disposal to divide us and make us hate each other while they Rob us blind vs the people.

The anarchist, trouble makers, on either side, are just pawns too stupid to realize they are being used. And the rest of us are just fools more worried about our next Instagram post than the fact our freedoms and powers of self determination are slowly being stripped away. Hold my drink ... time for my next selfie.
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meansonny
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Must be nice to live in a world where you the only things that are real are things you wish to be real. I'm sure six year old you is sure happy he grew up to be a football player-doctor-astronaut-detective.


Deeprig is right though. Back in the late 90s and early 2000s, people would live beyond their means and debt consolidate on their mortgage. Wash Rinse repeat and consolidate on their mortgage again 3-5 years later.

That was considered normal for millions of americans. When you ask them why they failed financially, their mind was not programmed to blame the lifestyle of debt consolidation vs bankruptcy. So when asked about their troubles, their complaint wouldn't be that the home appraisal didnt come in for their most recent bailout.

The medical excuse covers 2 areas. 1) they lost income during the medical duress. 2) the bills are still there from the medical duress. As deeprig said, medical bills are nowhere near as damaging/suffocating as credit or installment debt. The root cause of the issue was the lost income on an otherwise maxed out lifestyle. The "medical bills" catch the reason in those pretty surveys, though.


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