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BeefDawg
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I don't care who you are or where you're at on the political spectrum, if you don't watch this entire episode, you've done yourself a terrible disservice.

Tim Pool and Adam Crigler spitting truth bombs.

After watching this, I'm going to tone down my typical angst and vitriol and try to actually have regular discussions again. For so long I've believed all of you contrarians were hopeless causes, purposely and willfully obtuse, and had zero capacity to understand truth, so I gave up trying to be civil and respectful. Maybe I was wrong. I hope I was wrong. And I hope some of you realize you are/were too and can open yourselves to differences of opinion and fact.

We're all in a lose-lose situation no matter which side is running this country if we don't start coming together and taking the fundamentals and foundations of necessary historical process back. It would be real nice to stop wasting effort on the bull shite we don't agree on and start figuring out what is necessary for us to survive the mess the "Elites" are creating that's going to destroy our country and the future for our children.

This country has a disease right now. And the cure isn't any one person elected from either side. The cure is enough of us, regular people of all intrinsics, coming together with goals and solutions for the most important things that are trying to push us all towards the edge of a cliff.

And if you're someone who wants everything torn down, destroyed, and re-imagined/re-purposed under something new, I really hope you've thought long and hard enough about that, because it's not only beyond dangerous for everyone's health, but history suggests it's so foolish it's almost certain to be your own demise. So maybe, just maybe, you've gotten caught up in an idea that someone or some thing sold you without you even needing it, it just sounds good after you've spent the currency.

Watch that video. Open your mind.

I'm finding this extremely difficult, because my resentment and bitterness is excruciatingly deep, but I'm going to try.


Dawgsontop34
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I'm finding this extremely difficult, because my resentment and bitterness is excruciatingly deep, but I'm going to try.


That’s all anyone can ask for. Try to understand where the other side is coming from and be respectful in doing it.


dawgfan24348
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Try to understand where the other side is coming from and be respectful in doing it.

100% this, political tribalism has killed political discourse and it's gotten so much worse ever since 2016. You're either an evil racist fascist or you're an America hating communist these days.


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FinleyStreet
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We're all in a lose-lose situation no matter which side is running this country


Then stop voting in republicans and democrats.


Porter Osborne Jr
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I really want to but I’m nervous that that would give the one side who continues to vote the party line a major advantage.


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dawgfan24348
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stop voting in republicans and democrats.

That's the problem of the two party system it's become almost impossible for a third party to win it. You have to hope someone comes in Trump style and forces the party to concede to him/her. Bernie tried to do something similar but he wouldn't call out the DNC when they kept fricking him.

The founding fathers warned us about the dangers of the two party system and here we are


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BeefDawg
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Then stop voting in republicans and democrats.

We sorta already did this.

Trump was/is the anti-Establishment America-first populist giving the middle finger to China and other Globalist/Collectivist schemes, ending thousands of business-stifling regulations designed to keep the Elites rich and in power while holding down ascending competition.

Everyone else from Hillary to Biden to Warren to Harris to Pete to Bernie to Cruz to Rubio to Bush, and so on (except maybe Rand) are ALL shills to the corporate and foreign country Elite.

And you know how we know Trump isn't? Because they ALL hate him. They hate him because he's a detriment to their wealth, power, and status. Because he wants to change the things that manufacture that wealth, power, and status in our Establishment and Corporate Elite, with the intent to create wealth and upward mobility for the middle and lower classes.

And what kills me is how so many people don't/won't/can't process this fairly simple logic.

The Establishment attempted what can only be categorized as a twenty-first century first-world Gen-Z soft-coup against the man. Multiple attempts, if we want to be precise. And the "Republicans" didn't really do a goddamn thing to prevent it, reciprocate (which is overwhelmingly warranted), or get some actual justice.

And on top of this, they attempted a real life lynching of a SCOTUS candidate just to try and stick it to Trump, too.

They hate the man. They all do. And because of this, simple logic says he's the 3rd party candidate, and anyone who believes the Establishment, and their media arms, and anything they say about the man, is a complete fool.

The guy is a ineloquent buffoon who says and does some stupid shit, but if the Establishment hates him and is doing evil lawless horrible shite to try and destroy him, there MUST be a reason for this. And again, logic says it's because he's a threat to their wealth, power, and status. Because I know damn well the Establishment only cares about themselves. We are merely ants for them to exploit for their benefit.

And I don't have a solution to this issue. It's beyond complex and going to take much more than simply saying stop voting for the R or D. Because too many people are asleep at the wheel, mislead, deceived, and brainwashed to believe things that aren't so. And not voting for the R or D only gifts the Establishment an advantage.

There is no mechanism or process to turn this system into a 3-way competition. It doesn't exist, and the forces with all the power are too powerful to allow it. And that's a gross understatement, too.

What Trump did is the only way to shoe-horn in an anti-Establishment entity. A party has to be hijacked, gutted from the inside out, and re-shaped. That's the ONLY way.

And as we can see, very clearly, that's apparently an insurmountable task.


dawgfan24348
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While I disagree with the take that Trump is exactly what the country needs (save that for another debate) he did lay down the plans for how an anti establishment candidate can win. Go all in scorched earth style and go hard after anyone or any party that tries to derail you. Tout a populist policy and remind everyone that the overwhelming majority of politicians are in it for themselves.

Also I certainly wouldn't call Bernie a shill there's a reason the DNC fricks him over time and time again. His problem is he goes at it the wrong way. He shouldn't be making friends with the establishment


deeprig9
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With that statement are you conceding that he won fair and square?


dawgfan24348
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Trump? Yes of course. He ran off a populist campaign meanwhile Hillary was running off an establishment campaign with some identity politics thrown jn


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Sheftie
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What an i missing. Im trump to the core and thats one of the dumbest god damn things I've ever saw

Was there a hidden excerpt at the end,


BeefDawg
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What an i missing. Im trump to the core and thats one of the dumbest god damn things I've ever saw

Was there a hidden excerpt at the end,
Not sure what you're pointing at.

The video?


deeprig9
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So you agree the 3 years of Russia Russia Russia and the impeachment and the indictments against Stone, Pop, Cohen, Flynn, et al, were 100% bullshite? Total witch hunt. Right?
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Sheftie
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I feel like i listened to two lesbians on NPR argue about the taste of paprika. Did I not listen long enough?


dawgfan24348
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you agree the 3 years of Russia Russia Russia and the impeachment and the indictments against Stone, Pop, Cohen, Flynn, et al, were 100% bullshite? Total witch hunt

Yup just the Dems pandeing to their base all the while giving Trump more money for the milliatry and letting him continue to illegally spy on citizens like Obama and Bish did


deeprig9
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I'm confused by your tactics.


dawgfan24348
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Just because I'm on the left doesn't mean I'm part of a hivemind. Check out Kyle Kulinski and Jimmy Dore both left wing progressives who also find Russia gate ridiculous


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BeefDawg
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I feel like i listened to two lesbians on NPR argue about the taste of paprika. Did I not listen long enough?
Maybe. But I do understand what you mean. I was like that at the beginning of watching Tim Pools' show, too.

Some soy-boi lookin millennial in a beenie acting middle of the road, but clearly leans left... and now he's got some hippie soy-Jesus guy you'd expect to be in Antifa with him.

I get it. But the draw is going back maybe a couple years and watching the progression of Tim, a Progressive, get totally red-pilled and the light come on about the Left. And then about 5 months ago Adam joins the show, a complete anti-Trump Progressive, also slowly get red-pilled to the point he now says he's going to vote for Trump because he realizes, after all the discussions and research they do for the show every day, that the Left and Dems are ripping the country apart.

Get past what they look and sound like and just pay attention to what they're saying, while understanding that these use to be 2 hardened Progessives who's job it is to podcast as many points of view from as many sources as they can find, and in the process of doing this, they have effectively flipped 180 degrees on their beliefs and perspectives with regards to ideologies and who they think is good and who's bad.

Tim continues to act like he's politically agnostic, because he grew up on the Left and virtually all his friends, plus a chunk of his viewer-base are on the Left. But it's beyond obvious at this point what's happened and where he stands. He'll just never admit it. Adam, on the other hand, has said frickit and openly admitted he's now voting for Trump. And has facts upon facts to justify his change of heart.

These guys do 3-5 hours worth of podcast a day, nearly every day. So the amount of content is extraordinary. These guys aren't in some bubble or echo-chamber. They make their own news and report data and have discussions from all sides and points of view.

And they aren't the only ones. Jimmy Dore, Dave Rubin, Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris, the Weinstein brothers, among others... are all Lefties and/or self-proclaimed Progressives. And this "epiphany/awakening" has happened to all of them.

These are the biggest YT podcast personalities in the world. They have millions and millions of viewers. And to watch them all go from seemingly Progressive toadies to consistently shitting on Woke Leftist Culture and recognize it's THE problem, has been fascinating... and a relief.

This particular video I linked, IMO, had incredibly insightful content that made me re-think my attitude about all Lefties being hopeless to have civil discussions with. Their discussion made me feel like if I give up talking to them, then I'm essentially ending all chance to try and open their minds to truth, while also closing mine off from other possible truth. This is how you get stuck in an echo-chamber bubble, when you stop interacting with a certain group and you refuse to be open-minded.

If you didn't get this from the video, yeah, you probably didn't watch enough of it.


SquatchDawg
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We need to reframe the argument. This isn’t Dems vs Pubs any more. It’s marxists/communists/statists vs individual freedom.

I’m personally sick of republicans giving us lip service and then doing nothing year after year. The party is controlled by statist profiteers. Likewise, Dems need to realize their party has been taken over by marxists.

The sooner we take the masks off the better.


AirbusDawg
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We need term limits. I know people say we already have them every four years, but that's really not the case when you have big business involved in politics. Our founding fathers never meant for the job as a politician to be a career. They invisioned a lawyer or doctor giving up their practice for a few years in order to serve their country, not make a 40 year career out of it. Let's face it, if a Congressman or President didn't have to worry about getting re-elected, they would probably do what's in the best interest of the country.

Also, the press has made things that much more divided. It's good for ratings to have the country so divided. If we all got along and did what's best for the country, that would be boring and uneventful.


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