re: This deserves it's own thread

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We need to reframe the argument. This isn’t Dems vs Pubs any more. It’s marxists/communists/statists vs individual freedom.

I’m personally sick of republicans giving us lip service and then doing nothing year after year. The party is controlled by statist profiteers. Likewise, Dems need to realize their party has been taken over by marxists.

The sooner we take the masks off the better.

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Half correct. Actually mostly correct.

Except the Dems are also statist profiteers, and to an even much larger degree. Military Industrial Complex, China, Ukraine, much of Europe, ME, Pakastan, northern Africa, Canada, Mexico/CA, Venezuela, the UN, NATO, the World Bank, the Federal Reserve... not to mention the vast majority of top 10% Corporate America and Multi-National Conglomerates, Insurance companies, Big Pharma, 98% of Big Media, Big Tech/Silicon Valley, Hollywood, the University System, and virtually all of Social Media. And I'm probably forgetting a bunch, too.

The Republicans certainly have their hands in many of those cookie-jars, too, but it's obviously at a fraction of the degree.

Either way, they're both identical in that they're Collectivists gaming the system with cronyism and corruption for personal gain and to secure their position and status, and the growth of anyone or anything that helps them in that process, America, Americans, and it's/their future be damned if necessary.


That all said, the Dems are merely PANDERING TO, ENABLING, AND COVERING FOR the Marxists, Anarchists, and Anti-White factions purely because they believe it will help them defeat and destroy any opposition and threats to their status. And right now, that means Donald Trump and ANYONE who isn't under their thumb and of their collective narrative.


You can even be an avowed Lefty, but if you ask questions and voice anything contrary to their narratives, you are a threat, too.

Statist profiteers who control Cancel Culture. THAT is who the Democrat Establishment currently is. And the "willfully" feckless Republicans sit in back rooms with them smoking cigars together while saying, "As long as I get my slice of the pie, whatevs."

Yes, there are masks to take off, but one side of this has taken control of a power that is devastating to everyone who doesn't have it.

When your mother can get fired from her job because your girlfriend Tweeted or posted something on Facebook, how do you combat that or ask/get people to risk things like that?

Carpe Donktum just got permanently suspended from Twitter for making a funny satirical meme video that makes fun of Democrats.

Trump got a Tweet "censored" because he said force would be used if necessary to stop rioters from tearing down statues in DC.

Avowed Lefties who question media lies and Leftwing echo-chamber bullshite on YT podcasts get consistently demonetized, videos deleted, and warnings of potential ban, for doing nothing but doing research, finding out truth, and then questioning the Leftwing narrative and the integrity (or lack thereof) of the media.


We have tried to re-frame the argument. But this power they currently have is too much to compete against right now. And I am not sure how or if we can.

We may be forced to simply wait for it to cannibalize itself. Because that absolutely will be what eventually happens. The crazies will bring their crazy to the doorsteps of the Establishment Leadership at some point, and then it'll get squashed somehow.

Until then, the Average Joe Family is likely going to sit back, keep their mouth shut for fear of Cancel or Violence, and just take it up the arse. I hate to say that, but we all know this is likely the case.

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People should listen to many voices and think critically. Ultimately, each person needs to be his or her own authority. Personality cults are easy to get wrapped up in but, whether they are religious or political, history proves that they are extremely dangerous.

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100% agree.

BUT, these "many voices" are slowly but surely being snuffed out by Cancel Culture.

Now combine that with the fact the Establishment that has control over that Cancel power also has control over the Media Complex and forms virtually every predominant narrative that exists.

They fabricate "facts" and then destroy anyone who doesn't buy into those facts or questions them.

Fox News is even playing a role in this. They cover for the "willfully feckless" Republicans, blowing smoke up people's asses as if they are fighting the good left-contrarian fight, but all they're doing is helping keep the divide evenly split.

And that even divide is what's needed to keep those in power, in power. If we had a large ideological consensus contingent, then that contingent would use the power of the vote to weed out the bad and usher in the good. But evenly split, there is never really enough to permanently force that to happen.

It's a game the political establishment has been playing on us for eons. And only Congressional term limits would be a definite solution to that.

But how is that gonna ever happen? Getting a Constitutional Convention is a fricking pipe-dream, and Congress isn't going to legislate against their own self-interest.

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Hillary and Bill Clinton are worth well over one hundred million. Obama is worth over 40 million. I wish they, and all the others, would choke on their riches.

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You forgot Al Gore and Joe Biden's son and brother.Funny his so many are Dems.

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In the primary, I voted for Bernie Sanders. Bernie will never earn enormous speaking fees or corrupt book deals because he isn't owned by special interests.

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So you're for term limits but voted for a guy who's been in Congress over 30 years?

BTW,Bernie became a millionaire through his book deals

Bernie Sanders is a threat to anyone living above the poverty line. I don't get why he became such an icon for a lot of young people.

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This is the kind of sensationalist bs I despise. No different than some blue check mark yelling Trump is literally Hitler

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Feel free to move along then. His tax plan makes Biden's look like something from Rush Limbaugh. His jihad on "Amazon not paying taxes" was and is retarded.

While I disagree with the take that Trump is exactly what the country needs (save that for another debate) he did lay down the plans for how an anti establishment candidate can win. Go all in scorched earth style and go hard after anyone or any party that tries to derail you. Tout a populist policy and remind everyone that the overwhelming majority of politicians are in it for themselves.

You also have to have a sizable base which only has one issue that matters and that is being anti-establishment. A base with zero political convictions other than wanting the ability to say or do anything that comes to mind without any retribution of any sort. And you then need a sizeable base who will do anything to make certain some groups get a tax cut and the courts are set to make favorable rulings to those same groups. Again, that base has no political or moral conviction other than their unmitigated right to earn as much money as possible in any manner they see fit without any interference from anyone. Find a way to tie those 2 groups together and you can win every election for the foreseeable future. Of course electing someone so you can see the other side cry is silly and childish but that is what a lot of Trump supporters claim they did and will do again....

All politicians are liars...none of them can be trusted....what can be trusted is their past actions, in total, not one offs, and their past words and rhetoric. Until Americans prove capable of acting like adults and telling politicians they will get their vote but they will have to continually earn their support we will have lousy politicians.

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Bernie's book deal wasn't corrupt.

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What?He got an $800,000 advance on his 1st deal.

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The Sanders’ income, listed on tax returns they file jointly, increased dramatically. In 2016, they pulled in nearly $1.1 million—more than quadruple their previous year’s earnings of about $250,000. Around $800,000 of it came from the advance Sanders got for writing the hit Our Revolution: A Future to Believe In

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Bernie doesn't favor special interests so no company has to pay him off.

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Are you telling me he's never taken money from super PACs?

In 2016 Trump and Bernie were the only ones with no affiliated Super PACs

Since you can't control who donates to you he did receive a little over $8000 from those two Super PACs

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"Not a big increase." That's the problem, though. "It's just a little more" is what we hear every 4 years. Meanwhile, my tax bill is already out-fricking-rageous, and yet again, they want more. I try to do the right thing - invest, provide, pay bills. But the democrats don't give a flying shite about the contributing middle class.

Sanders proposed a 4% payroll tax on everyone. Let's not forget I already pay a combined 7.2% for Mcare and FICA. So, these 2 tax rates together would be around 11%. Right out of the gate, before I even pay for FIT or health benefits I'm at 89% of my paycheck. For me, that's a big hit. And this of course, doesn't include the additional 7% he wants the employers to pay, some of which would negatively impact bonuses/wages/additional FTEs (or all of the above) in some way. We are talking about a 25% payroll tax here. That is unconscionable.

Sanders proposed RSU taxes - not a big deal if you're wealthy, but if you're a middling employee like me, his plan would completely and utterly frick me. It would essentially make you pay taxes on unrealized income, which is absolutely un-fricking-heard-of. And if the share price ends up in the shitter, after you were forced to pay taxes with the money you didn't have, there isn't any recourse.

Look, I'm trying to work hard so I don't have to work anymore, so I'll be god-damned if I let some a-hole like Bernie Sanders come around and keep taking shite from me with one of those hand-grabber things at the Dave and Busters where you go bobbing for cheap toys.

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however you have to admit that the notion that his plan is dangerous to anyone above the poverty line is a threat is asinine

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I would argue that it’s dangerous in the sense that government is a notoriously inefficient spender of its peoples’ money. I’d rather not give them more than is absolutely necessary.

Also, as Finley detailed above, we aren’t just talking about income taxes.