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Posted on 6/25/20 at 7:04 pm to GurleyGirl
Posted on 6/25/20 at 7:04 pm to GurleyGirl
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liberal progressive media
The majority of media is certainly in favor of the Democratic Party but they are not progressive
Also Fox News and OAN are very right wing
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Posted on 6/25/20 at 7:13 pm to dawgfan24348
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The majority of media is certainly in favor of the Democratic Party but they are not progressive
Posted on 6/25/20 at 7:16 pm to VADawg
Please learn the difference between the establishment and the progressives and then you can come back to me
The media pumps up people like Biden, Clinton, and Harris, all center left establishment figures that won't do anything really different then what Obama did.
The same media attacks people like Bernie, calls Tulsi a Russian agent, and ignored Yang all throughout the debates.
The media pumps up people like Biden, Clinton, and Harris, all center left establishment figures that won't do anything really different then what Obama did.
The same media attacks people like Bernie, calls Tulsi a Russian agent, and ignored Yang all throughout the debates.
This post was edited on 6/25/20 at 7:18 pm
Posted on 6/25/20 at 7:34 pm to dawgfan24348
Obama is not "center left". Obama is very far left. Center left is someone like JFK.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 8:21 pm to VADawg
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Obama is very far left
Name one far left policy
Your idea of very far left is obviously skewed if you think Obama is anything but a center left politician
Posted on 6/25/20 at 8:46 pm to dawgfan24348
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Name one far left policy
ACA
Posted on 6/25/20 at 8:49 pm to VADawg
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ACA
Not even remotely far left, all this was a watered down version of even the most basic form of UHC
Obama started more wars, bailed out wall street, bailed big corporations, continued to illegally spy on Americans, did nothing on prison reform, did nothing to end the WOD, never once actually tired to pass UHC, was very heavily for regime change.
None of these scream left wing, hell most scream right wing, the WOD and wall street bailouts especially
This post was edited on 6/25/20 at 8:53 pm
Posted on 6/25/20 at 8:52 pm to dawgfan24348
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Not even remotely far left, all this was a watered down version of even the most basic form of UHC
Man, if you don't think the ACA is a far left policy, I'd hate to see your definition of far left.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 8:53 pm to dawgfan24348
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UHC
That's far left.
It's purpose was to destroy the health care system to force a single payer to rescue it.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 9:08 pm to meansonny
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that's far left.
No it isn't
Hint, if every other 1st world country has it then it isn't far left
Posted on 6/25/20 at 9:12 pm to dawgfan24348
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Name one far left policy
Gee,how bout funneling over a $1 billion dollars to Iran in the middle of night without consulting congress and the lying about it?
Posted on 6/25/20 at 9:19 pm to RD Dawg
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Gee,how bout funneling over a $1 billion dollars to Iran in the middle of night
Why must you lie?
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The nuclear agreement included China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom, the United States and the European Union, so Obama didn’t carry out any part of it on his own. The deal did lift some sanctions, which lifted a freeze on Iran’s assets that were held largely in foreign, not U.S., banks. And, to be clear, the money that was unfrozen belonged to Iran. It had only been made inaccessible by sanctions aimed at crippling the country’s nuclear program.
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Posted on 6/25/20 at 9:39 pm to dawgfan24348
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Why must you lie?
Not lying about one word that I posted.
Did he not deceive Congress? Yes or No?
Did he not deliver 100's of millions in the middle of the night?Yes or No?
Per WAPO
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When it comes to the Iran nuclear deal, the Obama administration increasingly appears to have been a bottomless pit of deception.
First, President Barack Obama failed to disclose to Congress the existence of secret side deals on inspections when he transmitted the nuclear accord to Capitol Hill. (They were only uncovered by chance when then-Rep. Mike Pompeo (R-Kan.) and Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) learned about them during a meeting with International Atomic Energy Agency officials in Vienna.) Then, we learned that the Obama administration had secretly sent a plane to Tehran loaded with $400 million in Swiss francs, euros and other currencies on the same day Iran released four
Did he not funnel a over a $billion dollars to Iran?
Stop with the bullshite talking point about it being "their money" The money belongs to victims of Iran's terror attacks including the hostages held and Marines blown up in Lebanon
Posted on 6/25/20 at 9:43 pm to RD Dawg
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Stop with the bullshite talking point about it being "their money
It's not a talking point it was Iran's money.
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Did he not deliver 100's of millions in the middle of the night?Yes or No?
He did not, if you want to read the article or paragraph I shared it clears it up pretty well.
Now you're right about one thing
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The part that the meme gets right, though, is that the deal didn’t get congressional approval. The Obama administration had maintained that the agreement wasn’t a treaty, which would have required approval by the Senate. Republicans did try to block the deal, but they weren’t able to get enough support to pass the legislation in the Senate.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 9:56 pm to dawgfan24348
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Why must you lie?
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The nuclear agreement included China, France, Germany, Russia, the United Kingdom, the United States and the European Union, so Obama didn’t carry out any part of it on his own. The deal did lift some sanctions, which lifted a freeze on Iran’s assets that were held largely in foreign, not U.S., banks. And, to be clear, the money that was unfrozen belonged to Iran. It had only been made inaccessible by sanctions aimed at crippling the country’s nuclear program.
There were frozen assets from a US Iranian arms deal in the late 1970s. Obama's Iran deal unfroze those assets.
The amount of unfrozen assets was supposedly around $50 billion but some have said it was as high as $150 billion.
There was also a plane load of cash delivered to Iran from the United States. The Obama administration said it was for "interest" on the frozen assets. Others thought it was for money given to Iran for an American hostage release that happened the next day after the money was delivered.
The "interest" claim is/has been disputed. A lot of people think it was monies for the hostage release.
So yes, RD Dawg is right, Obama did deliver over a billion dollars to Iran in the middle of the night.
LINK
Either way you don't pay a country that finances terrorism interest. They have caused a lot of American bloodshed over the years.
This post was edited on 6/25/20 at 10:00 pm
Posted on 6/25/20 at 9:59 pm to dawgfan24348
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He did not
But he did
[quote]Washington(CNN)The Obama administration secretly arranged a plane delivery of $400 million in cash on the same day Iran released four American prisoners and formally implemented the nuclear deal, US officials confirmed Wednesday.
President Barack Obama approved the $400 million transfer,
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Say what? It exactly as I stated and this from those right wingers from CNN
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Now you're right about one thing
I'm right about everything I said.
Back to the original point.Are really trying to say this wasn't a left wing policy?
Posted on 6/25/20 at 10:36 pm to RD Dawg
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Are really trying to say this wasn't a left wing policy?
The question of if it was a left wing policy was never up to debate.
I said name one far left policy which still hasn't been given. And if giving money to countries like Iran is far left then I guess Trump is also far left for giving SA $8 billion.
Overall point is nobody can give a reason as to why the establishment is far left
Posted on 6/25/20 at 10:42 pm to dawgfan24348
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every other 1st world country has it then it isn't far left
That's not how it works.
You are playing an Overton window.
It is far left of what we had before because it wrecked the system.
Shifting the goal posts does not change the political stance.
Posted on 6/25/20 at 11:02 pm to meansonny
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is far left of what we had
You ever think we just happen to be far more right than others and maybe that's why it looks so far left to us? Because you certainly can't call it radical
Posted on 6/26/20 at 12:28 am to dawgfan24348
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said name one far left policy which still hasn't been given. And if giving money to countries like Iran is far left then I guess Trump is also far left for giving SA $8 billion.
Good lord,just stop with the whataboutism. There's no way in Hell Clinton makes the deal with Iran or even Biden.Selling arms to KSA has nothing to do with this discussion.
Do you wanna talk about BHO's blatent interference in the Israeli elections LINK?
How bout openly backing the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and sending and sending an extordinary amount amount of arms with our latest technology?
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The Obama Administration has chosen sides. Since Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood began their reign of terror in Egypt – increased persecution of Christians, Shariah law, millions taking to the street to protest – the Obama Administration has steadily increased funding. Not just any funding mind you, but President Obama is sending tanks, F-16 fighter jets, and billions and billions of our tax dollars in military aid to Egypt. The Administration has also dropped any preconditions on that funding, going around the will of Congress and the American people to remove human rights restrictions on the Egyptian government.
Yes,both are far left positions and Clinton or even Biden would have pursued if he was POTUS.
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