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Posted on 3/3/13 at 9:04 pm to Nicolae
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Justification? I think it has already been given pretty well just in the lost practice time that it saves us. Plus, with summers seemingly getting hotter and all the heat-related deaths of football players the last few years, we cannot practice in 100+ degree weather for extended periods. If there aren't already NCAA regulations regarding it, there will be soon.
As far as the bold part, UGAAD easily has the money to do both of this. We could build the IPF and hire the exact same staff as Saban and still turn a massive profit. We are not UT and not about to go bankrupt.
The current walk-in closet with football field carpeting that we have is really just a testament to how cheap Michael Adams, Damon Evans, and the administration as a whole really are...and is kind of embarrassing. Though I think it is pretty cool to have if we had a real IPF as well.
Say what you want about Adams, but the son of a bitch isn't cheap.
I'm indifferent to the IPF idea.
What is interesting to me is the zeal with which some people insist that we get one.
Posted on 3/3/13 at 10:02 pm to Cobb Dawg
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Divide the cost of the facility by how often it's used. Not a good investment.
consider the revenue stream from the monster it supports. pretty godo investment.
Posted on 3/3/13 at 10:30 pm to deeprig9
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I hesitate to get involved in an arms race with other schools and end up broke.
What happened at UT was a perfected storm of events, a complete implosion of the AD, from top to bottom. As far as I know it's the lowest the program has been in a long time, all while making major upgrades. Even with all that they'll be able to cut even in a few years.
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that money would probably be better spent in hiring more coaches and staff like Saban does
Let's get it straight, money is no object to UGA. Plain and simple. Someone might want to check my facts, but from what I remember it's been UTexas, and UGA for highest revenue earning programs for the past 5 years or so. I wont even bring up what I was told they stash away each year. The university alone makes a killing. I do business with UGA, and I've seen a few of their budget sheets.
UGA could build 10 new indoor practice facilities, and hire 20 new staff members and still be in the black next year.
Posted on 3/3/13 at 10:53 pm to DonDraper
I think UGA is consistently second to Texas in profits from both the football program and athletic department overall. UGA is sitting on a pile of cash that only a few programs can come close to matching.
If UGA ever decided to commit a large chunk of that cash to winning at football, winning championships would become a MUCH more common occurrence. I'm talking about significantly increasing/enhancing the support staff, building the best facilities out there, getting the best assistants, and things of that nature.
Right now, UGA is not spending at the same level as the UAs and LSUs of the world. The results show on the field and in recruiting.
If UGA ever decided to commit a large chunk of that cash to winning at football, winning championships would become a MUCH more common occurrence. I'm talking about significantly increasing/enhancing the support staff, building the best facilities out there, getting the best assistants, and things of that nature.
Right now, UGA is not spending at the same level as the UAs and LSUs of the world. The results show on the field and in recruiting.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 7:16 am to Crowknowsbest
People saying we don't need one are just fricking dumb. We DO need one and we DO need to make sure we can offer recruits and future bulldogs everything the other schools are offering. I do agree that somethings you just can't buy like traditions and history and that is something USCe will NEVER be ale to buy. But the gamecocks are sinking a frick ton of money into their program. Williams Bryce is getting major fricking upgrades to their tailgating area. Its pretty insane. If anything, we need to do it simply to say frick you to Stevie and the Cocks
Posted on 3/4/13 at 8:40 am to DonDraper
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What happened at UT was a perfected storm of events, a complete implosion of the AD, from top to bottom. As far as I know it's the lowest the program has been in a long time, all while making major upgrades. Even with all that they'll be able to cut even in a few years.
UGA football takes in around $52-55 million a year, our expenses are $16-18 million a year. We have a $70 million surplus that goes up every year by $12-15 million.
Currently UGA football could operate for 4 years without selling 1 ticket, taking $1 in donations, no concessions or merchandise sales on our current surplus alone. That's just crazy.
FSU recently completed their state of the art IPF for $20 million. SCjr's is gonna cost $12-14 million.
UGA could build a IPF & relocate the Spec Towns track facility to the Milledge site for the $20 million FSU spent on theirs.
Using AD finances as a reason against a IPF isn't realistic. We are awash in cash & have little or no service debt we're paying off now.
The Neyland upgrade project someone mentioned at UT was a $200 million outlay, a completely different stratosphere than what we're talking about here.
We just dropped $2.7 million over the last offseason on Foley Field upgrades & paid for it outta the miscellaneous cash cigar box in McGarity's Admin's desk drawer...
We got 99 problems in the UGA Athletic Dept. but cash ain't one of them...
This post was edited on 3/4/13 at 8:42 am
Posted on 3/4/13 at 8:46 am to DonDraper
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Someone might want to check my facts, but from what I remember it's been UTexas, and UGA for highest revenue earning programs for the past 5 years or so. I wont even bring up what I was told they stash away each year. The university alone makes a killing. I do business with UGA, and I've seen a few of their budget sheets.
Nobody is denying the revenues we rake in. It's the spending we curb to an extreme.
Our revenues are the 2nd highest in the SEC right behind Bama. However, while Bama also spends more than anyone else in the SEC (almost twice what we do), our expenses are in the middle of the pack. If that's not being a tightass then I don't know what is.
Our margins blow everyone else out of the water.
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Posted on 3/4/13 at 10:02 am to Sandwich
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If anything, we need to do it simply to say frick you to Stevie and the Cocks
Well said.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 10:23 am to dallasga6
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UGA football takes in around $52-55 million a year, our expenses are $16-18 million a year. We have a $70 million surplus that goes up every year by $12-15 million.
Currently UGA football could operate for 4 years without selling 1 ticket, taking $1 in donations, no concessions or merchandise sales on our current surplus alone. That's just crazy.
FSU recently completed their state of the art IPF for $20 million. SCjr's is gonna cost $12-14 million.
UGA could build a IPF & relocate the Spec Towns track facility to the Milledge site for the $20 million FSU spent on theirs.
Using AD finances as a reason against a IPF isn't realistic. We are awash in cash & have little or no service debt we're paying off now.
The Neyland upgrade project someone mentioned at UT was a $200 million outlay, a completely different stratosphere than what we're talking about here.
We just dropped $2.7 million over the last offseason on Foley Field upgrades & paid for it outta the miscellaneous cash cigar box in McGarity's Admin's desk drawer...
We got 99 problems in the UGA Athletic Dept. but cash ain't one of them...
Posted on 3/4/13 at 11:48 am to Damn Good Dawg
The Athletic Department has around $120 million in long term debt. Principal and Interest currently around $9 million per year. Goes up to $45 million annual payment in 2018 which of course will be adjusted prior to that time.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 1:21 pm to FinleyStreet
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Our revenues are the 2nd highest in the SEC right behind Bama. However, while Bama also spends more than anyone else in the SEC (almost twice what we do), our expenses are in the middle of the pack. If that's not being a tightass then I don't know what is.
Our margins blow everyone else out of the water.
At the end of the day, it's a business. If you can rake in money without spending anything, why change? Sure, a full trophy case looks nice and all that, but unless it keeps your returns higher than your outlays, there's no real justification for upping your spending to get it. What's good for the bottom line isn't always going to be good for the fans.
Posted on 3/4/13 at 1:37 pm to FinleyStreet
Those are from 2010 BTW...would love to see an update for 201,2
Posted on 3/4/13 at 3:02 pm to RD Dawg
Posted on 3/4/13 at 7:35 pm to deeprig9
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Say what you want about Adams, but the son of a bitch isn't cheap.
He is when it is regarding athletics.
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I'm indifferent to the IPF idea.
What is interesting to me is the zeal with which some people insist that we get one.
I think we should build one, but I do agree with you about the staff at least to the extent that addition to recruiting staff are a higher priority to me than an IPF. We can easily afford to do it all though, and we should have built an IPF years ago so I do understand why some are so adamant.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 3:11 am to 20ozBulldog
I am in the camp that indoor facilities makes players softer. Playing in the rain prepares them for it. It was snowing lightly during practice Saturday. The coaches commented on it being a surprisingly energetic and productive and they attributed that to the weather. They said the players were more focused and energetic because they wanted to do it right and get out of the weather.
If you don't think preparing in that type of weather prepares you for game-day conditions,that's on you.
The only time you need an indoor practice facility, the only time, is when there is lightning outside for an extended period of time, and if you think that spending millions of dollars on a small chance of practice running longer than usual, I would hate to see you in Congress.
If you don't think preparing in that type of weather prepares you for game-day conditions,that's on you.
The only time you need an indoor practice facility, the only time, is when there is lightning outside for an extended period of time, and if you think that spending millions of dollars on a small chance of practice running longer than usual, I would hate to see you in Congress.
This post was edited on 3/5/13 at 3:47 am
Posted on 3/5/13 at 7:10 am to athenslife101
While I agree it might soften them up if we use to escape the elements....there is nothing soft about using it during the treacherous southern spring when there are tornadoes every other day and afternoon thunderstorms are the norm.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:35 am to Sandwich
If there was a tornado warning, they would not be able to stay in an indoor practice facility any more than they would outside. Indoor practice facilities are not nearly strong enough to withstand a tornado. They would need to go to the basement of Butts-Mehre. And as for thunderstorms, that is a valid concern, but I can't remember once when practice was canceled or cut much shorter than it would have been. In most cases with thunderstorms, practice is just delayed. And in that delayed time, players can be studying or working on their S&C.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 11:42 am to athenslife101
It's mainly about recruiting. I also don't buy the idea that it makes players softer.
Posted on 3/5/13 at 12:11 pm to Crowknowsbest
how can any of our fans worry about it making our players softer? teams that use these things that'll "pussify" our dawgs tend to be the same teams pasting them, emphasizing the difference in our levels of physicality. an IPF isn't going to change our players demeanor, no that comes from richt.
miles and saban seem to be doing just fine
miles and saban seem to be doing just fine
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