re: Kemp... Barbershops and gyms to open Friday...

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So what should be open? How bout a crowded Walmart?

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Nothing crowded should be open, but those companies are doing a good job of making sure that people are spread apart from one another from what I’ve seen.

And yes we know lockdowns prevent the spread. At least according to every doctor, specialist, the President, governors, etc.

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Nothing crowded should be open, but those companies are doing a good job of making sure that people are spread apart from one another from what I’ve seen.

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No they aren't and as late as 2 weeks ago I saw multiple cashier's,clerks etc with ZERO PPE.This was at Kroger,Publix and HD.

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At least according to every doctor, specialist, the

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There are varying degrees of "distancing" and I'm sure as hell not stepping on a NYC subway anytime soon but I don't think people being couped up and then herded into the local Walmart, Kroger etc is much of a solution either.

Not "every" Dr BTW.

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as late as 2 weeks ago I saw multiple cashier's,clerks etc with ZERO PPE.This was at Kroger,Publix and HD

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Today at Publix I watched a visibly ill cashier pull down her mask a half dozen times to wipe her nose or cough, while of course not wearing gloves and continuing to handle people’s items. I was shocked and disgusted and will not be going back there anytime soon.

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There are varying degrees of "distancing" and I'm sure as hell not stepping on a NYC subway anytime soon but I don't think people being couped up and then herded into the local Walmart, Kroger etc is much of a solution either.

Not "every" Dr BTW.

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Yeah, I guess I meant distancing prevents it. Not necessarily lockdowns. But if you’re in a lockdown, you’re going to be distanced. I’m fine with stuff opening slowly, and there are certain things that I do believe are fine being open now. It’s just about being smart with it, and I don’t think Georgia is doing that right now.

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why is he being dragged by national media when Colorado is reopening on Monday as well with little to no media coverage?

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Not accurate. Colorado is also being lumped in with GA, SC, and TN.

But GA is getting special attention since Kemp's decision is ahead of his original end date of April 30 and was also apparently done without knowledge/approval of his pandemic panel.

The big question: Why did Trump applaud Kemp just days ago -- yet in his Wednesday press conference, he changed his stance?

Trump (4/22): "I told the governor of Georgia Brian Kemp that I disagree strongly with his decision to open certain facilities which are in violation of the phase one guidelines for the incredible people of Georgia," Trump said.

He suggested he would intervene if he saw "something totally egregious."

"I love those people. They're great. They've been strong, resolute, but at the same time, he must do what he thinks is right. I want him to do what he thinks is right, but I disagree with him on what he's doing but I want to let the governors do (what they want)," the President said.

"Now, if I see something totally egregious, totally out of line, I'll do (something)," Trump said, but did not provide specifics on what he would do.

Trump apparently wants to encourage and discourage at the same time...politics at its finest.

Trump wants states to reopen as soon as states meet the minimum standards he laid out and follow the federal guidelines for reopening. Kemp is reopening (Trump smiley face) but is going against the guidelines as Georgia does not meet Trumps minimum criteria for reopening (Trump sad face).

It’s not that hard.

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Trump has plausible deniability if things turn bad.

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So who's responsible for the "deniability"
in New York? By ANY measurement the place has been a disaster with their response but somehow their Governor gets a pass and
even praised? What freakin planet are we living on?

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You are confusing the severity of their outbreak with the quality and extent of their response. They were ground zero for whatever reasons - one of the earliest origin points in the US; extreme population density; etc. So they were hit very hard.

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Not confusing anything.California had its first confirmed case Jan 25 the and NY March 1st. Ground zero?

Population density? NYC isn't even in the top 50 in the world and is doing FAR worse
than any of those cities.Tokyo has less than 200 deaths.On a smaller scale.LA County and Santa Clara are dense places with millions on visitors from China... somehow both ended up pretty well.

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If anything, given the situation, they've done a good job and data indicate that they've bent the curve down beginning about a week ago.

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What?New York is responsible for over 45% of the deaths in this country.

Their subway system has become a petri dish but the NY leadership continues to let homeless
people camp out. LINK
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There’s more to worry about than coronavirus exposure, workers noted. There’s been a troubling trend of subway fires sparked inside train cars in recent weeks -- and that’s on top of track fires, which are a fairly common occurrence.

From April 4 through April 17, homeless riders lit three separate fires inside subway trains, according to internal MTA incident reports obtained by the Daily News.

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Cuomo needs to send in the national Guard yesterday to clean up this filth but him and Deblassio don't wanna touch the issue.

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LA County and Santa Clara are dense places with millions on visitors from China... somehow both ended up pretty well.

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How they started out has a lot to do with how they ended up and for whatever reasons, NYC clearly had high infection rate in population prior to detection. As far as density goes in the US, NYC is over 28,000 people per square mile. LA is something like 8,400 per square mile. The only US city even in the ballpark of NYC is SF at 18,500 per square mile and that's not even all that close. NYC also has massive, close-in pedestrian traffic that is not seen on that scale in other places in the US. Maybe Chicago, SF, Boston...but those are still nowhere near NYC.

Also, as studies will eventually show, different strains wind up in different places. Who knows how that may have played into it.

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What?New York is responsible for over 45% of the deaths in this country.

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Yes, and given the level of the crisis there, they've done a pretty good job as evidenced by the downward trend in their hospitalization and death counts. Actually more than pretty good. See chart:

COVID-19 NYC daily cases, hospitalizations, deaths

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We haven't even hit the peak yet and Kemp won't even follow Trump's guidelines. Hell we don't even have enough tests, really don't understand this move

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This was about flattening the curve and nothing else. It wasn’t about reducing deaths or reducing total cases. Flattening the curve was meant to spread out the total cases over a longer period of time so that the hospital system doesn’t get overwhelmed.

You aren’t saving lives by doing this and you aren’t going to reduce the total cases in the long run no matter when you open up. The vaccine won’t be here for a year and a half so unless you’re advocating for remaining closed that long it makes no difference. The virus isn’t going anywhere and will be here waiting no matter when we open. We could wait 3/6/12 months and it wouldn’t make a difference because you’re only postponing the inevitable. Actually the longer you wait the dumber it is because you’re wasting time you could have been building herd immunity. If you’re truly at risk then you better just stay inside for a year and a half while the rest of us build immunity.