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Posted on 4/22/20 at 12:56 pm to deeprig9
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You are myopic and arrogant.
This is only a 'vacation' for millennials who don't have any real responsibilities.
Yes, I’m sure you’re speaking for all of them. The point is this picture of suffering is being drastically exaggerated. I know plenty of people from all walks of life, in various situations, and none of them are currently jumping off bridges because they can’t work.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:06 pm to S1C EM
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Who’s cutting the stimulus?
It won't last forever. Once things reopen and people can go back to work, it will (and should) be cut. The problem is that people won't have jobs to go back to.
My stepdad lost his job in the 2009 recession and was humiliated about not being able to provide for the family. I would imagine those who don't enjoy living off of Daddy Gubment feel the same way.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:19 pm to VADawg
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It won't last forever. Once things reopen and people can go back to work, it will (and should) be cut. The problem is that people won't have jobs to go back to.
What they’ve already approved is done. People are getting it. And many of the lower wage workers, especially those with large families, what they got just in the stimulus alone was more than they would have brought home working their job. If they are on unemployment as well, they are not struggling given the added funds to those benefits. There will eventually be jobs that need them. But simply “reopening” isn’t going to guarantee anyone their job right now. When companies see that the business isn’t there to support them, these folks will be sent right back home.
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My stepdad lost his job in the 2009 recession and was humiliated about not being able to provide for the family. I would imagine those who don't enjoy living off of Daddy Gubment feel the same way.
And I totally understand that. But do you not see the difference? These two situations are not comparable. In the current case, we were ALL told to go home. There’s nothing to be humiliated about and the unemployment benefits are much more substantial than they were in 2009. As I said, the jobs will be be there. They will be back. But not until people believe they can go out safely. Until they do, there’s no one to do business with.
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:26 pm to S1C EM
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I know plenty of people from all walks of life, in various situations, and none of them are currently jumping off bridges because they can’t work.
Me too. Their stories are different. Nobody is jumping off a bridge, it hasn't gotten there yet, thankfully.
One of them has gone close to three weeks without a paycheck, he's a traveling construction specialty type. He was working a lucrative job at the Mets stadium in NYC then they shut the job down. Then he went to another one in NC, and they shut that one down a day later. He has not received unemployment because he's not unemployed. He does not own the business, so he's received no funds of any type. Luckily, since Trump announced phased reopenings, he has another gig in the Memphis area that he got called for the very next day, and just left for this morning. Luckily for him, his wife had a WFH job even before this, and the $1200 Trump Check helped him. But if things didn't open up soon, it wasn't going to be a 'vacation' for him.
You want any more anecdotes from people I know, for whom this isn't a vacation? Like people with kids who have no school or daycare to go to, and are having to work from home and simultaneously entertain kids all day, and night, every day? For whom this absolutely is not a vacation? And what happens when all these corporations find out so much work can be done remotely, do you think they are going to continue paying their American employees to do it, or decide they can outsource and offshore millions more jobs than they thought they could?
You are so myopic and arrogant.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:27 pm to S1C EM
quote:So here's one story LINK
Yes, that was my reference. I’ve seen nothing official to refute the story, so if that exists, that’s great need.
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The hospital was already feeling the pinch after a 24-inch pipe burst in early December. The flooding wiped out 200 patient care beds that won't be back in use until this fall.
Unfortunately that part didn't make the headlines.
Here's another story that didn't mention the flood LINK
This statement was also patently false
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At all of Atlanta's four major hospitals, every ICU bed is taken
No idea what the author means by "major hospitals" but there are 6 in the COA and another 4 just outside the city.
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And 75% of our population is not unemployed now, nor will it be; nor would it have been in another month.
You didn't read correctly.At the HEIGHT of the depression 75% were EMPLOYED and it was still shitville for the majority of Americans.
I just don't see how going to a mitigated restaurant, bowling alley or hair dresser is gonna put me at risk moreso than a crowded Kroger,Walmart or Marta train.
Churches are a different issue but I hope they have outside services and adhere to social distancing.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:31 pm to deeprig9
I got another close friend that is (was) a foreman for lighting and audio company that does all the events at the downtown ATL hotels. He just quit his job for a better job with a competitor doing the same work, then ATL shut down and he's done. He's at Pizza Hut right now making ends meet. Just enjoying his vacation I guess.
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:31 pm to S1C EM
quote:I’ve seen some dumb shite on here but man...
No? Enjoy the vacation then.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:34 pm to S1C EM
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But not until people believe they can go out safely. Until they do, there’s no one to do business with.
There's no requirement that a business open or that anybody use an open business. The sooner businesses learn to safely operate in whatever their sector is the better for all. Giving businesses the option to start this is the right move.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:47 pm to S1C EM
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So are they not getting any money? Are they being evicted? Foreclosed on? Power cut? Water turned off?
No? Enjoy the vacation then.
WTF? Vacation from what?? That mortgage, the electric and water bills still have to be paid. The longer this drags on the more difficult that will be for the individual not paying and for the companies not getting paid.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 1:58 pm to deeprig9
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One of them has gone close to three weeks without a paycheck, he's a traveling construction specialty type. He was working a lucrative job at the Mets stadium in NYC then they shut the job down. Then he went to another one in NC, and they shut that one down a day later. He has not received unemployment because he's not unemployed. He does not own the business, so he's received no funds of any type. Luckily, since Trump announced phased reopenings, he has another gig in the Memphis area that he got called for the very next day, and just left for this morning. Luckily for him, his wife had a WFH job even before this, and the $1200 Trump Check helped him. But if things didn't open up soon, it wasn't going to be a 'vacation' for him.
Well, that's certainly an interesting anecdote, sure. Especially since infrastructure operations all over our area have not ceased working because of the shutdown as they are deemed "essential". You're basically telling me that he still has a job, but he has no work so the job is telling him to stay home. But the company itself is also not temporarily shut down? Because if it is, he's eligible for unemployment. If it's not, then that's a big clusterfrick and they should officially furlough him (which is really what it sounds like they have already done in principle). I don't know that there's a good answer for that, but his situation is not that of the majority. It sucks, for sure. Just like nursing home patients dying of COVID sucks. But it's the ugly reality of what we're in right now and it seems people on both sides of the argument shrug their shoulders at the other.
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You want any more anecdotes from people I know, for whom this isn't a vacation? Like people with kids who have no school or daycare to go to, and are having to work from home and simultaneously entertain kids all day, and night, every day? For whom this absolutely is not a vacation?
I have more kids than you, I believe, Rig. So keep thinking you're the only one. I handle classes for a 12, 8 and 4-year-old, all at different times of the day, all working on entirely different things, one in speech therapy (I'm also the therapist). I, too, have to keep them entertained when not working, take them out for "recess", feed them three meals a day plus what seems like endless snack breaks, bathe them, get them to bed.........all the while working 8-10 hours a day from home, occasionally having to go into the office to manage the things I can't do from home, and attend online classes for my masters program at UGA and complete group work for projects remotely as well. Oh, did I mention that I've been handling all this for the last two and a half weeks by myself thanks to one of these geniuses out there (that you all seem to trust with your life) that walked into my wife's office and exposed everyone there to COVID? So let's add that when my wife gets home every day, I put on a mask, send all the kids to their room, get her in the garage to disrobe, and open all the doors for her making a path from the garage to the master bedroom so she doesn't have to touch anything. She drops her clothes in the washer and heads straight to the bedroom and that's the last I see of her other than to deliver food and drink before she goes to bed. And then we start it all over the next day at 6:00am. That's my "vacation". And I'm not complaining because I realize that we are, collectively, dealing with an unprecedented situation in our lifetime.
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You are so myopic and arrogant.
Says the guy who just above labeled "millennials with no responsibilities" as the ones on "vacation". There are plenty of people in the world with no responsibilities. You and I are both on the cusp of being considered "millennials". Most of the ones I know tend to be pretty hardworking, responsible people. So thanks for pointing the finger, Rig. You know what they say about that.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:01 pm to TMDawg
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I’ve seen some dumb shite on here but man...
Y'all take everything literally, don't you? Geez......I guess tongue-in-cheek isn't a thing for you folks anymore, eh?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:02 pm to tgdawg68
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That mortgage, the electric and water bills still have to be paid. The longer this drags on the more difficult that will be for the individual not paying and for the companies not getting paid.
You have no idea what's actually going on, do you?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:04 pm to S1C EM
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This started prior to the shutdown. Oil prices were already plummeting. The shutdown has worsened it, yes, but it was happening anyway.
Come on! Prices were dropping due to the Saudis production but oil futures went negative yesterday fir the first time directly because of the collapse in consumption.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:06 pm to tgdawg68
I said...
You said...
Hmmmm....
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The shutdown has worsened it, yes, but it was happening anyway.
You said...
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Come on! Prices were dropping due to the Saudis production but oil futures went negative yesterday fir the first time directly because of the collapse in consumption
Hmmmm....
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:12 pm to S1C EM
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So keep thinking you're the only one. I handle classes for a 12, 8 and 4-year-old, all at different times of the day, all working on entirely different things, one in speech therapy (I'm also the therapist). I, too, have to keep them entertained when not working, take them out for "recess", feed them three meals a day plus what seems like endless snack breaks, bathe them, get them to bed.........all the while working 8-10 hours a day from home, occasionally having to go into the office to manage the things I can't do from home, and attend online classes for my masters program at UGA and complete group work for projects remotely as well. Oh, did I mention that I've been handling all this for the last two and a half weeks by myself thanks to one of these geniuses out there (that you all seem to trust with your life) that walked into my wife's office and exposed everyone there to COVID? So let's add that when my wife gets home every day, I put on a mask, send all the kids to their room, get her in the garage to disrobe, and open all the doors for her making a path from the garage to the master bedroom so she doesn't have to touch anything. She drops her clothes in the washer and heads straight to the bedroom and that's the last I see of her other than to deliver food and drink before she goes to bed. And then we start it all over the next day at 6:00am. That's my "vacation". And I'm not complaining because I realize that we are, collectively, dealing with an unprecedented situation in our lifetime
Then how on God's Green Earth can you tell people to "enjoy the vacation?"
How are you not calling yourself out for being an idiot? Do you share this username with other people?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:19 pm to deeprig9
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Then how on God's Green Earth can you tell people to "enjoy the vacation?"
Are you seriously that dense? It was a tongue-in-cheek comment coming from my frustration with this whole complaining that "the economy is crashing and we all gotta go back to work or we're gonna die" rhetoric. Sheesh.......good God. I shouldn't have to explain this to you. You're not that stupid.
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:20 pm to S1C EM
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You have no idea what's actually going on, do you?
Most utility companies have suspended cut-offs so folks are just not paying their bills and it is adding up. Same for mortgages. It's not free dumbshit.
The quicker we get back to some normalcy the better we all are. If you cannot comprehend this then you surely don't know what the hell is going on.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:29 pm to tgdawg68
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Most utility companies have suspended cut-offs
Those will eventually have to be caught up, yes.
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Same for mortgages.
Nope. The loans will simply be extended for a whopping two months or so. Wow. That was hard. Dumbshit.
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The quicker we get back to some normalcy the better we all are.
You WILL NOT get normalcy anytime soon. And the more you rush this process, the less sustainable normalcy you're going to have.
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If you cannot comprehend this then you surely don't know what the hell is going on.
I've got a better idea than you, this much I know. But go ahead. Snap your fingers Friday morning and let's all see how it goes. Business as usual, I'm sure.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 2:36 pm to S1C EM
You're the one who seems to think this country won't skip a beat financially. If you actually think that, then I have some beachfront property in Iowa to sell you.
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