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Posted on 9/23/19 at 10:09 am
Posted by jodeaux
Member since Sep 2014
1541 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 10:09 am
Only got one touch? Honestly, between that and Pickens only getting one target, I'm starting to think Jadon Haselwood had a point about our coaching staff.

When push comes to shove, all Kirby wants to do is pound the rock and make back shoulder throws, and stop talking about how great Jake Fromm is, half his pass attempts are screens and swing passes! He only had 186 yds passing, what a joke!

LSU and BAMA would both kick the crap out of us right now. I've seen all I need to see, unless Kirby opens up the playbook, we are NEVER going to win a natty.
This post was edited on 9/23/19 at 10:14 am
Posted by BeefDawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
4747 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 10:12 am to
Good grief you're a miserable SOB.
Posted by jodeaux
Member since Sep 2014
1541 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 10:13 am to
Over the last 11 minutes of the game, Georgia ran 10 plays on offense: Four hand-offs to D’Andre Swift, one to Brian Herrien and one to James Cook. Fromm attempted two passes in that span, one of which was on third-and-9.

Kirby will not win a natty like this
Posted by BoozeDawg
ATLANNUH
Member since Sep 2018
1465 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 10:14 am to
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only getting one target,


he had 2

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half his pass attempts are screens and swing passes!

Posted by jodeaux
Member since Sep 2014
1541 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 10:16 am to
Dan Wolken hits it on the nose with his column:

LINK /

Instead of complaining I'm being too harsh, why don't you just expect better coaching?
Posted by BoozeDawg
ATLANNUH
Member since Sep 2018
1465 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 10:22 am to
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He only had 186 yds passing, what a joke!



so if Fromm threw for 400 yards and we lost......you'd be saying RUN THE DAMN BALL?
Posted by VoxDawg
Glory, Glory
Member since Sep 2012
59445 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 10:23 am to
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jodeaux


Not happy unless you're miserable.
Posted by lewis and herschel
Member since Nov 2009
11363 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 10:24 am to
The point about our staff is that we employ a balanced attack, same as Clemson and Bama.

JH wanted to be in an air raid.

I will take our approach and let his ego lose the big one at ou.
Posted by Dawgsontop34
Member since Jun 2014
42437 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 10:53 am to
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LSU and BAMA would both kick the crap out of us right now.


If you were an LSU fan you’d be complaining about their defense against Texas not being good enough to win a National Championship.

If you were an Alabama fan you’d be complaining about their defense being awful in the first half against a really bad SC and it not being good enough to win a National Championship.

I don’t understand how you can enjoy football when you watch it like this.
Posted by RD Dawg
Atlanta
Member since Sep 2012
27289 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 10:54 am to
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why don't you just expect better coaching?


Don't disagree with some of what you said but please don bring an idiot like Wolken in to back up your points.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12412 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 10:56 am to
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Only got one touch? Honestly, between that and Pickens only getting one target, I'm starting to think Jadon Haselwood had a point about our coaching staff. When push comes to shove, all Kirby wants to do is pound the rock and make back shoulder throws, and stop talking about how great Jake Fromm is, half his pass attempts are screens and swing passes! He only had 186 yds passing, what a joke! LSU and BAMA would both kick the crap out of us right now. I've seen all I need to see, unless Kirby opens up the playbook, we are NEVER going to win a natty.


What year would have you graduated from Auburn if you had actually gone there?
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
22836 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 10:56 am to
Sorry I am going to trust the SEC championship coach with back to back 11-1 seasons with a CFP birth and Rose Bowl victory and NY6 Bowl appearance over miserable Georgia board poster. Good god our fan base has done a complete 180 from the Richt era,
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
39958 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 11:13 am to
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f you were an LSU fan you’d be complaining about their defense


Eh, I’m pretty sure he’s an LSU fan.
Posted by crispyUGA
Upstate SC
Member since Feb 2011
15919 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 11:19 am to
UGA: *GETS WIN AGAINST TOP-10*

Everybody:

Everybody:

Literally Everybody:

jodeaux: "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE..."
Posted by Spaceman Spiff
Savannah
Member since Sep 2012
17439 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 11:25 am to
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I don’t understand how you can enjoy football when you watch it like this.


Because he's not a UGA fan
Posted by grey
Member since Aug 2015
3343 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 11:30 am to
Throwing the ball to Pickens late on 3rd down was a sign that the staff wanted to end the game right then and there.

The "conservative" call would have been to dial up another run, taking another ~40 seconds off the clock.

That aggressive play-calling gave Notre Dame enough time to drive down the field on their last possession, and it almost cost us.

This post was edited on 9/23/19 at 11:31 am
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41637 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 2:18 pm to
I'll start by saying you should eat a Snickers.

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Only got one touch? Honestly, between that and Pickens only getting one target, I'm starting to think Jadon Haselwood had a point about our coaching staff.
We've got a lot of play-makers on offense right now. Getting everyone touches and targets comes down to not just the play call, but the look the defense is giving. If you haven't noticed yet, Fromm does a lot of "game management" at the line, looking at what the defense is doing and making adjustments as needed. The TD throw to Cager was the result of Fromm seeing a full-on blitz and knowing to throw to the one-on-one coverage. It worked. It wasn't about stats, but about success.

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When push comes to shove, all Kirby wants to do is pound the rock and make back shoulder throws
That's called balance and it has been pretty effective over the years. Pounding the rock softens up the defense later in the game to make moving the ball and scoring (by running or passing) easier. You have to think in terms of all four quarters in football and not just about the play happening right now.

And those back shoulder throws? Those throws get us first downs. They are pin-point throws that garner praises from experts everywhere. You know why Fromm is a potential first round draft pick even with his relatively slow feet and average arm? Those throws are why, or at least a huge contributor.

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and stop talking about how great Jake Fromm is, half his pass attempts are screens and swing passes! He only had 186 yds passing, what a joke!
Again, you're not thinking in terms of our offensive scheme even though you just criticized it. Fromm is doing what he's called to do. He's hitting underneath routes, guys in the flats, and those screens (which everyone had complained about for years that we weren't using enough of them) to utilize our blockers and play-makers in space. In other words, those throws are done with intent.

No, Fromm isn't putting up the numbers that Fields or Hurts are putting up, and it's not because Fromm is a worse QB. It's because the offense we run doesn't dictate Fromm throw the ball 40 times a game or rely on his arm to drive the offense. Fromm is asked to put our team in a position to win by making decisions pre-snap and post-snap that will be most effective, whether that is passing or handing the ball off.

It sounds like you want to move to an offense predicated on throwing the ball. That's fine if that's what you want, but you can't judge our personnel based on what you want to see in terms of an offensive scheme, but you should judge our personnel based on how well they play within our current scheme.

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LSU and BAMA would both kick the crap out of us right now.
Maybe, maybe not. We play each opponent differently so it's hard to look at how we played ND and make a judgement on how we would play Bama or LSU. And also the "right now" part of your statement is key, because we haven't hit our mid-season form yet due to ND being the first team we've played with a pulse. How we would do against other big teams is up in the air, but the important thing to remember is that we won't have to worry about that for a few weeks at least.

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I've seen all I need to see, unless Kirby opens up the playbook, we are NEVER going to win a natty.
We've opened the playbook up enough to win the games to date, and most of the sloppy play against ND was on special teams. We still have a lot to work on but the playbook wasn't exactly the problem for most of the game. ND's defensive players tackled exceptionally well and schemed us effectively. We used more runs and short, quick throws in the first half to soften up their defense and then switched to the play-action and mid-to-deep throws in the 2nd half to pick up more yards. It was a good strategy and it worked.

I think you should pump the breaks on this doom and gloom stuff. We just beat a top-10 team in our first true test of the season after gifting them great field position several times. Aside from struggling to stop their NFL-caliber TE outside of the 3rd quarter, we did what we needed to do to limit their offense and wear them down to move the ball. We would've padded our stats even more if we had a few of those DPI calls go our way in the second half. We had a lot of things going against us yet we still pulled out a solid win early in the season.

Posted by K9
wayx....BOBO IN '19
Member since Sep 2012
23960 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 2:37 pm to
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unless Kirby opens up the playbook, we are NEVER going to win a natty.




i agree.
Posted by RedFive
Ringgold Ga
Member since Apr 2015
2168 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 3:45 pm to
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Sorry I am going to trust the SEC championship coach with back to back 11-1 seasons with a CFP birth and Rose Bowl victory and NY6 Bowl appearance over miserable Georgia board poster. Good god our fan base has done a complete 180 from the Richt era,



This!!!
Posted by jodeaux
Member since Sep 2014
1541 posts
Posted on 9/23/19 at 4:03 pm to
@FooManChoo

The exhaustive/thorough analysis is appreciated. I won't attempt to address every point but I do have a new issue for you - or anyone else - to elaborate on. Let's say hypothetically Kirby had given the ball last year to Fields, and went with the ups-and-downs with his first year of starting. Let's compare the stats thus far for 2019:

Fields:

4th in overall QBR, 13 TD's, 0 Ints

Fromm:
9th in oveall QBR, 6 TD's, 0 Ints

Wait a sec, I thought Fields wasn't an accurate passer? Oh, but they haven't played anyone, right? Well he beat a very good Cincinnati team that went 11-2 last year and was top 5 in terms of overall defense to boot.

How long are we going to justify Fromm's OK games when we could've had a QB who is less polished but WAY more dangerous. Who here honestly thinks we'd be worse with Fields as our QB?

The best coaches in any sport collect the best talent and then figure out a scheme to fit that talent.

Prime example would be Lincoln Riley, I don't need to go into detail about what he's done over there. Also, let's consider Saban, over the years he's changed their offense depending on the talent.

He just so happened to have 5 speedy WR's emerge so he goes and turns his team into a spread offense.

UGA gets guys like James Cook/Pickens/Fields and what do we do? We get scared to give them the ball in big games, play it safe with Herrien and Swift up the gut.

Kirby doesn't know how to play to his strengths or manage his talent. We have more playmakers than Clemson does, or Ohio State or Wisconsin but they don't ever get a chance because Kirby is frightened they might fumble, so he sticks with less talented players who might not make big mistakes but they're also not going to make big plays.

Justyn Ross probably wasn't the most polished receiver but Dabo put him out there cause he can catch the damn ball and Lawrence wasn't perfect but he was the better choice than Kelly Bryant. They had a higher ceiling with those two and they won a championship cause Dabo knows how to manage talent.
This post was edited on 9/23/19 at 4:05 pm
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