BeefDawg
| Favorite team: | Georgia  |
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re: Carson Beck
Posted by BeefDawg on 10/5/23 at 8:02 pm to FooManChoo
quote:I don’t know. I think we are probably past that window. It takes several games to build confidence and not play like you’re having to prove you’re the guy every down. When you’re in that mode, when you’re desperate, you make mistakes. Every nanosecond is a decision followed by a second-guess, and the mind isn’t working with efficiency, clear intellect, or clear vision.
I get the vibe that you think we have a better alternative to Beck on our roster right now, and that Beck isn't doing enough to help us win. Am I wrong in that feeling?
BVG and Stocton can’t be trying to work past that in the games ahead. The teams coming up aren’t quite the scrubs as the 5 teams we just played.
So I think we’re probably forced to settle as is. But that doesn’t mean we can’t still discuss facts, truths, and opinions.
Beck has had enough time that if he was past that phase we would all know it by now. Stetson got past it and never looked back.
Anyone who says they believe Beck is there, and that Beck himself also believes he’s there, is lying to himself.
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re: Carson Beck
Posted by BeefDawg on 10/4/23 at 9:14 pm to DawgHolliday
quote:I’ve never seen so much irony in my life. LOL
You are an angry human being. Somehow you believe yourself superior of character and intellect to everyone you encounter in life. Probably think of yourself as an Alfalfa…er Alpha…or at least you want everyone on an anonymous message board to believe that’s what you think of yourself. Alfalfa is probably closer to the truth. You get completely unhinged by challenges to your position on literally ANY subject. That is not strength of character or intellect. It is reverting to base (meaning crude and unsophisticated) human behavior. Name calling and over the top rebuttals do not indicate any of the characteristics you would like to have people believe you possess. It’s all good though. Your “Alfalfa” personality type won’t allow you to take the critique without coming back hard in the paint. Just know that I and many other have been laughing at you this whole time and will continue to do so.
If hyperbole was a talent, you’d be a gotdamned rockstar wordsmith. And by the way, your self-awareness is hilariously bad. Good luck with that.
quote:Buddy, if you haven’t figured out that most people suck by now, I don’t know what to tell ya.
Soooo. You're not a people person.
And why would you even go there? You can supposedly glean everything about me from some words, but I’m the a-hole for expressing what I’ve seen and interpreted?
quote:I said “Not… hypocrites”. Maybe I should have used consistent grammar and said “not” twice, but I wasn’t calling anyone a hypocrite.
Who is a hypocrite?
That said, it now does seem a bit hypocritical for you to assume you know me enough to blanket categorize me based on a few words, while at the same time you criticize me for categorizing Beck.
You don’t think that’s a double-standard?
quote:See my post above this one. What have I said that isn’t true.
When did you become the arbiter of truth?
I get that me not being impressed with 72% completion, 300ypg, and a 9.3ypa vs incredibly shitty defenses is an opinion. But my rationale for that opinion is based on 100% facts.
And maybe we disagree on what we consider a fact, but that’s a you guys problem.
And if you gotta get all hyperbolic, put words in my mouth, make false and demeaning assumptions and insults just to make sure I know you disagree with me, then sorry but maybe it’s you that’s “not the people person”.
Just sayin.
re: Carson Beck
Posted by BeefDawg on 10/4/23 at 10:43 am to Peter Buck
quote:So you’re saying he hasn’t missed 6 of 8 deep pass attempts?
Based on what I am reading, your view is skewed during the game by emotions. I like to watch the game a few times during the week on youtube with fresh and sober eyes. I say this, because what you are seeing and what I am seeing don’t jive.
He hasn’t missed seeing multiple receivers without a defender near them? The announcers and TV replays are just saying and showing an alternate dimension or something?
We actually are scoring in the first halves and not forced to pass a buttload just to win in the second half of several games?
Receivers aren’t consistently having to make acrobatic and 1h catches?
Receivers are getting a lot of YAC and not having to stop their stride to catch balls resulting in immediate tackles?
And we’re not stalling at an abnormal clip in the redzone?
And considering we’ve played nothing but bottom tier scrub arse teams with terrible defenses, you think his stats really = “top tier” and will be just as good against better talent when we play good teams?
Ok. If that’s how you roll, go for it.
Not sure why I can’t disagree without people putting words in my mouth, but whatever.
re: Carson Beck
Posted by BeefDawg on 10/4/23 at 12:04 am to Peter Buck
quote:I like you, man, but don’t be that guy.
Beef, what subjects would you consider yourself an expert in?
I’m not a mechanic, but I know when I see an expense finely tuned and excellently running car.
And even with 40+ years watching football, 8 years playing it, and 8 years coaching it, I’m not an expert. But I know damn well what I see.
I’m 52 with some hard earned life experience and wisdom. My frickin joints and back ache from getting here. I’ve beat cancer, found true perspective, and figured out I don’t need approval or agreement from people to sustain me.
That said, I’m honest, logical, and not a frickin idiot, so I’ll say what I see and know, even if it bothers people who don’t like it. Not because they think I’m wrong or because they are hypocrites, but because undesirable truth hurts.
That’s all most of this shite towards me really is from you guys.
Again, sorry some of you don’t like discussing Beck in a thread about discussing Beck.
quote:This is a thread titled “Carson Beck”.
So we have a pretty good QB, and a Heisman-caliber tight end, we are undefeated, on the trail to where we all want to go, but you are still miserable. In addition to being miserable, you want to spread your misery. Do I have that correct?
Was the purpose of the thread supposed to be a circlejerk session of frickbois proverbially fellating him because he’s our starting QB and I just misunderstood the assignment?
Or was it to actually discuss his play?
Have I demeaned the team, our wins, and our undefeated record? Or just listed out the precise actions and deficiencies of our QB that we all know deep down is worrisome whenever we don’t play a scrub team?
Sorry I’m not able to wear the Carson Beck rose-colored glasses of cock sucking.
re: Carson Beck
Posted by BeefDawg on 10/3/23 at 9:49 pm to DawgHolliday
quote:Get outta here with that hyperbolic horseshite, because I’ve said nothing of the sort.
We have established that you don’t like Beck. That much is clear. What I don’t understand is how you have somehow forgotten all of Stets bad passes where a receiver “bailed him out”, or the silly, stupid INTs he threw early on. You seem to forget that by the time he got a chance to start, he was older than Beck is now. You have selective memory based on a profound (and I would say unfair) dislike of the current QB. Everything is his fault. He fumbles punts/kicks and plays defense. He drops balls that hit him in the hands. He is in charge of who gets injured and how severe the injuries are. He decides how many starters we will be missing and for how long. Hell, he even plays defense for the other teams, and when one of their players has a great effort play and beats one of our guys…shite, that’s Carson’s fault too. Why not just say “I hate Carson Beck and I literally wish ANYONE else was the QB at UGA.”, because that’s what all of your posts really mean.
Quote me where I’ve said anything directed at him that wasn’t 100% only about his actual play.
Overthrowing/missing 6 of 8 deep passes is on him.
Not cycling through receivers and missing what would have been wide open uncontested TD’s multiple times in nearly each game is on him.
Throwing the ball away when he’s got 10-12 yards of open space in front of him leaving us 3rd and long rather than 3rd and short is on him.
Forcing the ball to Bowers at the goal line when the defender is 1-yard away rather than when there was an open window 10-yards earlier, or even to Mews who was completely wide open, is on him.
These things have zero to do with injured players, or our defense, or fumbles, or kicks, or play calling, or coaching decisions, so again, frickoff with your nonsense.
If you don’t want to acknowledge that these facts have happened, you’re just a jackass.
quote:Sell yourself all ya like, but everyone here knows Beck hasn’t been very accurate in general, including you. He’s got 8 deep pass attempts and only 2 have been catchable. And he’s also missed some very standard medium throws, been below average at leading receivers so they could get YAC, and even hung a few receivers out to get crushed.
When there are 3 defenders in the area and you are describing the 1 spot the defender isnt... then it is a good throw. QBs turn around receivers all of the time. If the receiver is running an out, turning him around changes his momentum to cut upfield (as opposed to carrying his momentum out of bounds). If a receiver is running into a defenders zone(like Bowers was), the QB can protect his by changing his momentum for the catch.
And this isn’t some BS opinion or even criticism, it’s just facts we all saw with our own eyes.
So while it would be nice to believe he planned his placement on those throws as if he purposely intended or knew Bowers would be able to turn and catch them with one hand, nobody truly believes it that isn’t lying to themselves.
I really want Beck to succeed. I want my Dawgs to smoke everyone and 3-pete. So I hate that I’m seeing what I’m seeing and feel like we’re in trouble when we play a good team.
re: Carson Beck
Posted by BeefDawg on 10/3/23 at 6:56 am to SquatchDawg
When a receiver has to do a 180 degree turn in the opposite direction of his route cut and snag a brilliant 1h catch to prevent a possible Int on a really bad pass (and for a 1st down on 3rd and long), and then make another 1h catch on another bad pass (although this one was called back due to penalty), and then convert yet another 3rd and long while getting pummeled instantly after the catch, and then score from 45 yards on a short slant route, when we all know the offense was sputtering the previous 3.5 quarters….
One might consider this as being bailed out?
One might consider this as being bailed out?
Yep, could be.
re: Are we better at any position group this year compared to the last two years?
Posted by BeefDawg on 10/1/23 at 10:30 am to TripleBrass
With McConkey back, WR is probably on par or maybe even a little better. Lovett is legit, Bell has stepped up, and RJS is healthy. And we’re pretty deep at every position. WR is a definite bright spot. The fact it hasn’t looked like it so far is just another reason I’m disappointed with Beck, and some of Bobo’s play calling (and play design). We should have WAY more production from the WR spot than we do. And that’s absolutely not been the WR’s fault.
Mews might be a slight improvement at KR/PR.
Punter is obviously the same.
Safety I think is as good or better. A healthy Bullard > Smith, and Starks is easily our best defensive player.
CB’s are probably on par. Mostly for the fact we would have had about 10 more PI’s from last year’s crew by this point in the season.
QB: No (Beck < Stet)
RB: Hell No (losing BR beyond hurts, and KM sucks bad enough that we’re giving more RB snaps to a WR and a white walk-on)
TE: No (Delp < Big 0)
OL: Hell No (even before the Mims injury, scrub DL’s been having their way with our OL for nearly 3 quarters of every game)
DL: Hell No (Mykel Williams is gonna be special, but aside from him, it’s a huge downgrade. And that’s probably an understatement.)
LB’s: Hell No (just look at yesterday’s game. It’s crazy that we don’t have a single LB that can go sideline to sideline or catch RB’s or even QB’s before they round the edge. Nor does it appear any of them are especially adept at getting sacks or TFL’s or pass coverage or even tackling. This has probably been our most underperforming unit, to be honest. RB unit can at least blame injuries. And crazy thing is, it’s mostly the same guys as last year. The difference might actually be the DL is so much worse that it’s making the LB’s look worse.)
K: No (Woodring < Podlesny)
Mews might be a slight improvement at KR/PR.
Punter is obviously the same.
Safety I think is as good or better. A healthy Bullard > Smith, and Starks is easily our best defensive player.
CB’s are probably on par. Mostly for the fact we would have had about 10 more PI’s from last year’s crew by this point in the season.
QB: No (Beck < Stet)
RB: Hell No (losing BR beyond hurts, and KM sucks bad enough that we’re giving more RB snaps to a WR and a white walk-on)
TE: No (Delp < Big 0)
OL: Hell No (even before the Mims injury, scrub DL’s been having their way with our OL for nearly 3 quarters of every game)
DL: Hell No (Mykel Williams is gonna be special, but aside from him, it’s a huge downgrade. And that’s probably an understatement.)
LB’s: Hell No (just look at yesterday’s game. It’s crazy that we don’t have a single LB that can go sideline to sideline or catch RB’s or even QB’s before they round the edge. Nor does it appear any of them are especially adept at getting sacks or TFL’s or pass coverage or even tackling. This has probably been our most underperforming unit, to be honest. RB unit can at least blame injuries. And crazy thing is, it’s mostly the same guys as last year. The difference might actually be the DL is so much worse that it’s making the LB’s look worse.)
K: No (Woodring < Podlesny)
re: Carson Beck
Posted by BeefDawg on 10/1/23 at 9:27 am to ugastreaker
quote:Who here crapped on Stetson begging for Beck?
It is amazing so many of y’all posting now absolutely shitted on Stetson Bennett and demanded Carson Beck to be played last year. You finally got your wish, and now it’s time to fire Bobo and run Carson Beck out of Athens.
Because it sure wasn’t me. I was skeptical of Stetson his first couple games, but he proved himself and I was on the train ever since.
And I was completely willing to give Beck a chance to prove himself much the same. But dude simply can’t hit a deep pass, he’s consistently not leading receivers/forcing receivers to make adjustments/acrobatic catches, and he’s flat out missed targeting multiple receivers nearly every game who are wide open/likely TD’s (meaning his vision and ability to quickly cycle through targets isn’t good).
As several here have said, “Beck is adequate”, which means we should be fine, right? But he’s only been that against scrubs. So IMO, we’re in trouble when we play a good team.
I don’t understand how this is an unreasonable take and posts like this get downvoted and demeaned because it’s being said from a fan on his couch. As if my eyes aren’t seeing what we’re all clearly seeing.
The alternative? Well I don’t know anymore. I would have rather tried BVG or Stocton when we were playing really bad teams, but the competition’s gonna start picking up from here, so we may be past that point.
I guess I’ll just watch my team and feel uneasy, frustrated, and hope I’m breathing a sigh of relief at the end each week. Which sucks, and was never the case the last 2 years, but oh well. Is what it is I guess.
quote:WTF?
He needs to let Beck sling it and the rest will be history.
4 games and he’s got maybe 8 deep pass attempts, of which 6 have been over-thrown or just not anywhere reasonable for the receiver to go get. On top of very clearly not seeing at least 4, maybe 5 wide open potentials that if he did see them and made an accurate pass would have been an easy TD on each.
And you really think Kirby is mistakenly holding him back?!?!!!
SMH
quote:You're probably right. He will likely transfer after this season and we will have a year of BVG before 2 years of Raiola.
Yeah… that piss ant will never see the field at UGA. And frick you for comparing my QB takes to that POS potato head m’fer
All I know is that right now, something is missing from this team.
The OL should be better. The offense as a whole should be really good. We should be scoring early way more and not having to do it every game under pressure in the 3rd/4th quarter vs scrub teams. We shouldn’t be saying words like “adequate QB”, and “he made the plays in the 4th quarter” against a team that had more rushing yards from the QB position than passing yards.
Something… ain’t… right. And we all know it.
quote:Actually, I think Gunner is the guy.
They want you to believe we blow them out with BVG at QB based on absolutely fricking nothing.
Aside from that, how many missed deep passes and not seeing wide open guys and 1h catches on bad passes and opposing DB’s dropping Int’s is it going to take before some of you stop trying to sell Beck to some of us like used car salesman?
I feel like we’re watching a Biden commercial telling us “the economy has never been better” with this shite.
quote:Not sure I would call a dropped interception and our All-American potential Heisman candidate TE bailing you out on really bad passes with 1h catches as “making plays”, but maybe that’s just me.
Those 3rd down completions were clutch AF. And NO, not many QB’s make the plays he did when it mattered. That was intense shite dude…
quote:I don’t know, man. If I see another run play or screen to the short side, or deep post routes on 3rd and short, or run plays up the middle on 3rd and long, or run plays on 2nd and very short, I’m gonna flip the frick out.
Also props to Bobo. That four wide set with Brock and Ladd on the same side was working and he kept going to it on must have third downs.
LOL
quote:Im not sure it’s about mental exhaustion as much as it’s their lack of belief.
Our team is playing like a bunch of strung out addicts. I think Back2Back and this long win streak is taking it tole on them mentally.
In their gut, they know something ain’t right.
They believed in Monken. They believed in Stetson.
re: UGA 27 @ AUB 20 - Final
Posted by BeefDawg on 9/30/23 at 5:57 pm to FooManChoo
quote:LOL
Beck played well today. He only had a few bad throws, and even the INT wasn't a "bad" throw; the defender made a great play on it. He was clutch in the 4th quarter especially.
re: UGA 27 @ AUB 20 - Final
Posted by BeefDawg on 9/30/23 at 5:56 pm to Crowknowsbest
Auburn is a bad team. Really bad. And we just barely beat them.
Why are so many of you consistently having to sell yourselves on Beck.
You shouldn’t have to make a post like this. We shouldn’t have to say out loud “we can win with …”.
We were a 1-handed catch on a terrible pass away from probably losing this game.
Why are so many of you consistently having to sell yourselves on Beck.
You shouldn’t have to make a post like this. We shouldn’t have to say out loud “we can win with …”.
We were a 1-handed catch on a terrible pass away from probably losing this game.
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