re: Image found on Twitter - Brent H. @gridirondawg

Easy, I haven't had alcohol since November.

I can't believe that this terrible thread is still alive. I stayed away for a week and y'all kept it going. And RIP to the unfortunate MSU Bulldog if he exists.

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Trump lost the election based upon personality more than anything

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I would agree if you had said personality disorder. As in antisocial (pathological liar, no sense of obligation to any law or norms of office) and narcissistic (extreme grandiosity, lack of empathy, need for constant admiration).

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If that’s the case, then get the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. Please. It’s not an mRNA delivery like the Moderna and Pfizer BioNTech. It’s the old type of vaccine.

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Go frick yourself, you fear-mongering twat.

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Peculiar that people would rather be infected by a SARS virus that was genetically modified in a Chinese lab than they would take an American vaccine.

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I had China virus in January. I've had colds that were worse. I don't get vaccinated for a cold. My body, my choice. fricktard.

To agree with Peter's position, I think it's perfectly reasonable for the at-risk groups to take their chances with the vaccines. The old '99.8% survival rate' mantra isn't true among all groups. For some groups it's much more dangerous. and if you are older, are you really worried about the long term side effects anyway? But where I go the other way is with children. They have the slimmest chance of being hurt by the virus, yet have the most to lose concerning unknown long-term affects of the vaccine. I got the vaccine. I'm a little overweight, over 40, and smoked for 20 years, with heart issues in my family. Pretty good idea for me to get the shot. My 6yo son, however, will not be getting any experimental vaccine until such time as some covid variant starts killing kids, at which time I will reappraise the situation. Politics has nothing to do with it for me.


that's a long way of saying peter is right, you can't just funnel these decisions off into hardline camps. That's something fricktards do.

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I’m glad you had a mild case. A lot of people didn’t. But you’re speaking only to the acute symptoms of initial infection. We know nothing about the longterm effects of an infection by a virus that was genetically engineered by the Chinese.

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We also don't know the long-term effects of a vaccine that uses that same Chinese virus as a base for its very existence. We don't know anything about the long-term of either one.

What we do know is that vaccines go through a rigorous process of testing for years to get approved for general use and none of the vaccines available right now have been tested for that long; they are still recognized as emergency use only. In addition, other vaccines--including ones developed for other SARS viruses--have been disasters, and never went to market because of their risk.

So yeah, I might not have a choice over catching the Chinese-made virus but I have a choice in taking the vaccine, which doesn't even guarantee that I wouldn't also get COVID.

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You anti-vaxxers are always like, “we don’t know the long term effects of a new vaccine.” Shouldn’t you apply the same logic to a brand new virus, as well? Especially a genetically modified one? fricktard.

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I think you're missing something here. Us "anti-vaxxers" (I'm actually not anti-vaxx for tried-and-true vaccines that have been available for decades) are not going out and trying to be infected by the Chinese virus like those who are actively trying to get the vaccine. Like I said, I might get COVID without a vaccine, but I could also get it after getting the vaccine, and then I'd have two things to worry about that we know little to nothing about long-term.

As I stated in an earlier post, I've already had COVID. In my demographic, the odds of me dying from it were miniscule to the point where I felt comfortable with not getting vaccinated with an experimental vaccine. When I contracted the virus, I got sick, but was never in serious danger from it. Others might be in a different situation, but I made the choice that I believed was right for me, and as of me writing this, I don't regret that decision.

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To agree with Peter's position, I think it's perfectly reasonable for the at-risk groups to take their chances with the vaccines. The old '99.8% survival rate' mantra isn't true among all groups. For some groups it's much more dangerous. and if you are older, are you really worried about the long term side effects anyway? But where I go the other way is with children. They have the slimmest chance of being hurt by the virus, yet have the most to lose concerning unknown long-term affects of the vaccine. I got the vaccine. I'm a little overweight, over 40, and smoked for 20 years, with heart issues in my family. Pretty good idea for me to get the shot. My 6yo son, however, will not be getting any experimental vaccine until such time as some covid variant starts killing kids, at which time I will reappraise the situation. Politics has nothing to do with it for me.


that's a long way of saying peter is right, you can't just funnel these decisions off into hardline camps. That's something fricktards do.

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I 100% agree with you (and Peter). There should be a middle-ground of reason here somewhere. My soon-to-be 10yo and my 5yo aren't getting vaccinated, regardless of approvals. I simply don't see the data that says it's needed. My soon-to-be 14yo, however, did get vaccinated. We let it be his choice. He's old enough to understand the various conversations being had around the subject of covid and the vaccines. We also consulted with his pediatrician, another pediatrician friend of ours, and a couple of pharmacist friends as well. All recommended it and their kids who were eligible had also gotten it. Same with the physicians my wife works with. If you don't do what the doctors tell you, at least pay attention to what they themselves do. There's usually some good cues to be found.

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But you’re speaking only to the acute symptoms of initial infection. We know nothing about the longterm effects of an infection by a virus that was genetically engineered by the Chinese.

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You are worried about the long term effects of the virus but not of a vaccine that has not been vetted, and we know has caused problems in younger people? Irony.

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You anti-vaxxers are always like, “we don’t know the long term effects of a new vaccine.” Shouldn’t you apply the same logic to a brand new virus, as well? Especially a genetically modified one? fricktard.

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There it is.

I'll bet you are for a woman's right to do with her own body as she wishes but not for our right to our own bodies. You want to control what we do, think, eat and it goes on and on.

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If that’s the case, then get the Johnson and Johnson vaccine. Please. It’s not an mRNA delivery like the Moderna and Pfizer BioNTech. It’s the old type of vaccine.

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I got Pfizer. However, I know plenty of very smart and educated people that won't get any of them and I'm 99% sure you're less qualified than they are to give me advice on this.