I think just given the sheer numbers of vaccinations happening all at once in conjunction with the virus still spreading, there would eventually be some. It doesn't surprise me. And if they get severely ill, they'll see you almost by default, if that makes sense. The difference in how we're seeing it has to do with initial expectations. But I understand.

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That being said, I haven't seen anyone in the ICU that was vaccinated that didn't have other things going on. I would guess not being vaccinated would have made it worse.

Makes sense.

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As a matter of fact, I've only taken care of one patient that was in the ICU purely for COVID-19. No underlying anything. In the last 15 months.

That's fair, too. I think the concern has always been with who actually knows their health status well enough at any given time to know if they have an underlying condition? I have pre-existing conditions, but I probably wouldn't have known about them except by happenstance during a physical. Too many people don't have a clue what their actual risk level is. I've seen a lot of fairly obese people on social media putting their faith in their immune system alone.

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I'm not trying to say the vaccine doesn't help; I'm only saying it won't keep you from getting an infection.

Bingo. And the point all along was to simply keep it manageable if you did.

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If you trust the vaccine despite there being zero long term safety data...get it. I did.

Me too. And I get it if you don't. Long-term effects will never be known, though. Hell, we just recently figured out baby power. And Zantac. By the time you develop a condition in the future, it would be hard to nail down whether it was caused by a specific drug, genetics, environmental exposure, etc. I guess if you don't get it, you'll at least know what you didn't get sick from down the road. Still cracks me up how much worry some folks put into it, but alcohol and cigarettes are still sound choices.

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I appreciate the sentiment but despite nurses constantly telling people how hard it is...it's really a nice job. Most of those nurses that complain like that have never worked in a job that really sucks. I would take a bad 12 hour day in the ICU over a good 8 hour day at McDonald's 100% of the time.

I hear you. My wife is a nurse as well. Still, it's not something everyone can do and I am glad to know there are people like yourself out there. It's not an ever-present consideration, but when things like covid first break, you guys are the ones taking all the risk. We can downplay that in hindsight, but if covid had proven to be airborne Ebola, ya'll were still showing up every day to do the job. So kudos to you.

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Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:12 pm to S1C EM

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Hell, we just recently figured out baby power.

So my wife is a nurse practitioner and was a critical nurse before that. She's very bright. We have a 10 year old and when he was a baby, her and I used to argue about baby powder constantly. I hated that she used it. It just seemed stupid to put a cloud of highly absorbent powder in the air for little guy to inhale. It makes grown ups cough. When our second child was born....the nurse in the mother baby unit told us not to use baby powder because it may cause lung problems. It's the only time I've wanted to say I told you so to my wife...but her face said that she'd kill me if I said a word.

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Posted by S1C EM

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Posted on 7/7/21 at 2:54 pm to SneakyWaff1es

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So my wife is a nurse practitioner and was a critical nurse before that. She's very bright. We have a 10 year old and when he was a baby, her and I used to argue about baby powder constantly. I hated that she used it. It just seemed stupid to put a cloud of highly absorbent powder in the air for little guy to inhale. It makes grown ups cough. When our second child was born....the nurse in the mother baby unit told us not to use baby powder because it may cause lung problems. It's the only time I've wanted to say I told you so to my wife...but her face said that she'd kill me if I said a word.

No matter how smart we are or think we are, we all have our moments where what we always thought was "right" or "good" gets turned on its ear. I totally feel you, in both regards.....wanting to say it, but knowing better than to follow through.

For us, it was BPA. Nobody knew what that was when our first child was born or to be leery of it in baby bottles. I came across an article right when our son was born and immediately said it may be nothing, but if we can avoid it altogether, why not? And that's what we did. Fast forward to today, and it's something people are commonly aware of and avoid. But for generations, these products have been used and assumed safe. And most people will be fine. Some may have genetic predispositions or something else and it causes harm to them. But truth is, we really don't know the safety profile of much that we put into our bodies, even when we've had decades to think about it. In other cases, we know exactly how bad what we consume is, yet we choose to do it anyway.

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