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re: If Fields had stayed
Posted on 11/24/19 at 11:22 am to VADawg
Posted on 11/24/19 at 11:22 am to VADawg
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Manning's poor play in outdoor playoff games in bad weather is easily the biggest knock on his career, and it is legitimate.
Yep. But you made the statement that good QB's do __________. I am just showing you that a simplistic explanation is not always the correct one. In football, the simplistic explanation usually wrong. There are too many moving parts to make definitive statements.
quote:Tank you for proving my point. For years people said "Manning can't play well under the pressure of the playoffs!"
He was very good against the Bears in the Super Bowl when it was pouring down rain and was named MVP of that game, though.
Until he did. It obviously wasn't the pressure, or the playoffs. It was a host of things.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 11:26 am to DawgsLife
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Because I remember big catches made by Hardman and Godwin, primarily
Cager and Pickens have made their fair share of great catches this year, so let’s not act like much has changed in that regard, or in regards to the laziness you speak of.
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Fromm has missed some open receivers. no argument there. But to say Fields would be much better is silly because nobody knows. People are merely stating their ill informed opinion as fact
Just watch fields play. Fields is a sharp shooter. He hits the open guys. Fromm isn’t, and often misses the open guys.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 11:53 am to djsdawg
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Cager and Pickens have made their fair share of great catches this year, so let’s not act like much has changed in that regard, or in regards to the laziness you speak of.
Except that there have been more misses on passes like that. Our receivers are not getting the separation they did last year, for one. We don't have to agree. I don't expect you to change your mind. You asked and I answered. I happen to think my explanation is as good as yours.
quote:That doesn't necessarily translate from team to team and from scheme to scheme. Sorry you can't see that, but it is a fact.
Just watch fields play. Fields is a sharp shooter. He hits the open guys. Fromm isn’t, and often misses the open guys.
Offense is complex. It is never as simple as it appears.
With receivers it is Separation, speed, hands, adaption.
Running backs: Speed, power, balance, vision, hands
QB: Read before snap, read after snap, progression, arm strength, spin, touch,
I mean it goes on and on and on all of the intangibles that go into making a play successful or unsuccessful.
One tendency that was mentioned in our game yesterday that I had not fully realized and noticed was it seems when Fromm moves a RB from one side to the other we run to the opposite side the RB is on. (If that makes sense)
Look. I am not saying Fromm has not been off. he has. I am saying that people are making it much too simplistic.
We don't have to go on for 10+ pages sparring why I am right or wrong. That's my opinion. You have a different one. Okay. Fine.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 12:09 pm to DawgsLife
Fields converted a 3 and 15 with his legs yesterday and a couple of other 3rd and longs. We all know given the same situation with Fromm is a RB dive up the gut to prepare for a punt. Once we see behind the chains or even have a third and 5+, we have a low chance to covert. With Fields it seems there is confidence regardless and almost expect it.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 12:09 pm to DawgsLife
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Except that there have been more misses on passes like that.
Our previous wrs didn’t make extremely touch catches as often as you claim, and our current guys aren’t missing many the previous guys would have caught. You are doing what many others are doing and coddling Fromm with these excuses.
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That doesn't necessarily translate from team to team and from scheme to scheme.
Yet fields has displayed this kind of accuracy at both uga and osu.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 12:16 pm to djsdawg
Play
This is an example of a play Fromm just doesn't make. Check out Klatts explanation about 60 seconds later.
Add to that his effect on the run game (his own yards and the extra yards the backs get) and there's simply no question this offense would be more dynamic.
That being said, I don't want Jake to be Justin Fields. I want him to be a better Fromm than I've seen.
It boils to one thing. Help out your receivers.
- Don't stare down receivers. Utilize eye discipline to move safeties.
- See and utilize the entire field.
-Go through progressions every play and take what the defense gives. Don't decide pre-snap where thre ball will go.
- Make the open throws.
This is an example of a play Fromm just doesn't make. Check out Klatts explanation about 60 seconds later.
Add to that his effect on the run game (his own yards and the extra yards the backs get) and there's simply no question this offense would be more dynamic.
That being said, I don't want Jake to be Justin Fields. I want him to be a better Fromm than I've seen.
It boils to one thing. Help out your receivers.
- Don't stare down receivers. Utilize eye discipline to move safeties.
- See and utilize the entire field.
-Go through progressions every play and take what the defense gives. Don't decide pre-snap where thre ball will go.
- Make the open throws.
This post was edited on 11/24/19 at 12:21 pm
Posted on 11/24/19 at 12:52 pm to djsdawg
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Penn st and Wisconsin are top ten scoring d’s
Slow defenses. Rack up stats vs terrible opponents.
C'mon man.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 1:58 pm to retooc
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Rack up stats vs terrible opponents.
So have we
Posted on 11/24/19 at 2:16 pm to Crowknowsbest
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Pining for a player that would be an ill fit in our offense does nobody any good.
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It that guy is not a fit for our offense, we need to change our offense.
Bingo! Too bad that would interfere with the offense our HC wants to run.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 5:34 pm to djsdawg
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Our previous wrs didn’t make extremely touch catches as often as you claim, and our current guys aren’t missing many the previous guys would have caught. You are doing what many others are doing and coddling Fromm with these excuses.
One last post and your answer will tell me all I need to know.
Do you honestly believe that our WR corps is as good this year as it was last year?
Don't twist the words. Don't change the subject. It is an easy, yes or no question.
Do you believe that our WR group is as good this year as last. We are not talking about potential. We are talking about right now.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 5:42 pm to DawgsLife
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One last post and your answer will tell me all I need to know.
Do you honestly believe that our WR corps is as good this year as it was last year?
Don't twist the words. Don't change the subject. It is an easy, yes or no question.
Do you believe that our WR group is as good this year as last. We are not talking about potential. We are talking about right now.
They're not right now. However, we have multiple 5 stars at that position so its Coley's fault for not scheming them open. But they were able to get open yesterday and Jake missed them badly. I think Jake is playing scared because Kirby has mind fricked him into avoiding mistakes.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 5:44 pm to Buzz Killington
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hey're not right now. However, we have multiple 5 stars at that position so its Coley's fault for not scheming them open. But they were able to get open yesterday and Jake missed them badly. I think Jake is playing scared because Kirby has mind fricked him into avoiding mistakes.
[quote]They're not right now. However, we have multiple 5 stars at that position so its Coley's fault for not scheming them open. But they were able to get open yesterday and Jake missed them badly. I think Jake is playing scared because Kirby has mind fricked him into avoiding mistakes.
Good answer. I agree.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 6:32 pm to Buzz Killington
The WR play hasn't been stellar, but multiple times a game there are open receivers we're not throwing to. Further there are ways veteran QBs help receivers. Some of this is obviously coaching, but Fromm doesn't do much to help them.
Also, how open do you need? Any NFL game you watch today the average QB will complete 10+ passes into windows you'll find on 3/4 plays in college. Nobody in college will see (let alone complete) all of those, but what's the level of play we're expecting from Jake?
Further, we've all spent 3 months hearing how the kid up at Ohio State isn't good because he's only "Throwing to open receivers." Now that isn't true, but some of the same people are saying Fromm gets a pass because his receivers aren't open. QB play needs to be better. Let's hold our QB to the same standard.
It isn't a bad game or two. It's all season. Even that Florida game people like to point to wasn't particularly good IMO. He was slightly better than average, with plenty of misses and bad decisions. That shouldn't be the highlight of the season for a player like Jake Fromm.
Also, how open do you need? Any NFL game you watch today the average QB will complete 10+ passes into windows you'll find on 3/4 plays in college. Nobody in college will see (let alone complete) all of those, but what's the level of play we're expecting from Jake?
Further, we've all spent 3 months hearing how the kid up at Ohio State isn't good because he's only "Throwing to open receivers." Now that isn't true, but some of the same people are saying Fromm gets a pass because his receivers aren't open. QB play needs to be better. Let's hold our QB to the same standard.
It isn't a bad game or two. It's all season. Even that Florida game people like to point to wasn't particularly good IMO. He was slightly better than average, with plenty of misses and bad decisions. That shouldn't be the highlight of the season for a player like Jake Fromm.
This post was edited on 11/25/19 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 11/24/19 at 6:40 pm to chillmonster
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The WR play hasn't been stellar, but multiple times a game there are open receivers we're not throwing to. Further there are ways veteran QBs help receivers. Some of this is obviously coaching, but Fromm doesn't do much to help them.
Also, how open do you need? Any NFL game you watch today the average QB will complete 10+ passes into windows you'll find on 3/4 plays in college. Nobody in college will see let alone compete all of those, but what's the level of play we're expecting from Jake?
Further, we've all spent 3 months hearing how the kid up at Ohio State isn't good because he's only "Throwing to open receivers." Now that isn't true, but some of the same people are saying Fromm gets a pass because his receivers aren't open. QB play needs to be better. Let's goldd our QB to the same standard.
It isn't a bad game or two. It's all season. Even that Florida game people like to point to wasn't particularly good IMO. He was slightly better than average, with plenty of misses and bad decisions. That shouldn't be the highlight of the season for a player like Jake Fromm.
Fromm is a slightly above average QB. Fields is a generational talent that we let go. Why do Clemson and Bama fans never talk badly about Bryant and Hurts? Because they know they have the better QB. Why do some many UGA fans dismiss Fields incredible number while downplaying Fromm's mediocre numbers? Deep down they know we picked the wrong guy. It's a tough pill to swallow but it's the truth. I'm really rooting for Fromm, but it hasn't been pretty.
Posted on 11/24/19 at 6:49 pm to Cobb Dawg
I really don’t care.
I’m just glad he no longer has to suffer from reading that someone heard someone else refer to him as a racially insensitive term.
I’m just glad he no longer has to suffer from reading that someone heard someone else refer to him as a racially insensitive term.
This post was edited on 11/24/19 at 6:50 pm
Posted on 11/24/19 at 6:52 pm to FlexDawg
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I really don’t care.
I’m just glad he no longer has to suffer from reading that someone heard someone else refer to him as a racially insensitive term.
He's a hero. His sister even plays softball at UGA to challenge the racist institution known as the University of Georgia. Such bravery!
Posted on 11/25/19 at 12:10 am to Buzz Killington
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Deep down they know we picked the wrong guy.
To be fair, "we" didn't...Kirby Smart did. It may turn out to be a decision that will mar his record. Maybe he'll learn from it. It's the conservatism that has caused other issues for him, like playing to not lose when you're only up by 10 to 14 points.
You just don't let a generational talent go in favor of a hard working game manager. Sometimes you've got to make the tough call to get benefits down the line. In this case, Smart went with the option that was safer at the time but had a lower ceiling.
This post was edited on 11/25/19 at 12:12 am
Posted on 11/25/19 at 9:31 am to Cobb Dawg
This receiving corp at Ga is the worst I can remember seeing there. Fromm has gone downhill in the last several weeks. He strikes me as a guy that has lost his confidence.
Posted on 11/25/19 at 9:56 am to bunkerhill
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This receiving corp at Ga is the worst I can remember seeing there.
I disagree. Those guys are talented. Fromm needs to trust the receivers and place the ball where they can make a play. Amazing catches by Cager is nice and all that, but I want to see Fromm hit them the receivers stride. Give them a chance to beat the coverage and make a play on the ball.
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