re: Gripefest (Formly know as Coaching Changes)

Lol this thread went to shite no?

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Probably because Fromm has consistently struggled to hit Robertson on time on open deep passes.

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Fromm has consistently struggled to connect with nearly all receivers this season. He did consistently connected with Cager, though, so it strikes me as odd that Fromm can be so good with one experienced receiver while bad with the others.

Was that an issue with Fromm just being bad, or was there something else there? If it were just Fromm being bad, I'd expect him to be bad with literally everyone. I'm arguing that he hasn't been consistently on the same page with our receivers all season (outside of Cager when he was healthy and Pickens with the last few games of the season).

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Thats classic Foo Frommbot spin. This is an objective and reasonable view of the play, From the QB Klassroom article:

"From a comfort and mechanics standpoint, throwing on the move doesn’t really get much easier than this. b]Fromm does a poor job of getting any velocity on this ball.[/b] He puts some air under it and floats it just far enough to make it catchable, but the ball hangs more like a punt than a pass and forces the receiver to try to catch this one while falling backwards. This ball, similar to the last clip, had a chance to be a relatively easy touchdown, but Fromm couldn’t put enough on it. In fairness to Fromm, this should have been caught anyway, but there is no argument that this was a good ball. Fromm failed his receiver as much as the receiver failed him."

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You're quoting Derrik Klassen, who stared writing these sorts of articles a few years ago while in high school because he loved football. He's a sports writer with no experience with football that I can tell other than watching it on TV and reading stuff online. Hardly an expert from my perspective. I've done the same stuff and I'm certainly no expert.

With that said, here's there quote from that section that made me question his expertise: "...but the ball hangs more like a punt than a pass and forces the receiver to try to catch this one while falling backwards". He wasn't falling backwards at all while the ball was coming to him. He didn't fall backwards until he had the ball in his hands and then it looks like he slipped or tripped while trying to secure the ball; he was dragging his right foot across the ground while going to the ground and the ball came out in the process. The comment made it seem like it was an easy catch if Fromm didn't throw it in such a way that made it hard for DRob to catch it, which isn't true.

Even so, from even a casual review of the throw and catch, it's easy to see that DRob had the ball for an easy catch and he failed to secure it. Play in question.

You can criticize how much air Fromm put on the ball, forcing DRob to turn around for the catch, but in the final analysis, the ball hit an open receiver for what should have been an easy catch, and DRob simply dropped the ball.

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What is considered "Routine" for a catch depends on the route and coverage. Going from a full sprint to a backpedal spin to wait on a ball is far from routine on that route. The defender went from out of the play to into the play to catch up after he was burnt toast. That type of transition and coverage made it far more difficult than a well timed, wide open, over the shoulder catch.

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Are you honestly going to argue that the ball hitting DRob in the hands on that play was harder for him than an over the shoulder catch?

Seriously, though... I explained what I meant by "routine catch". He didn't have to do anything but stick his hands out in front of him and pull the ball in. He didn't have to make any sort of drastic movements or contortions. He simply turned around and watch the ball in. He even had time to orient himself while turning around and back peddling. It wasn't a perfect throw by any means (I never claimed it was), but it was a throw on the move downfield to an open receiver who saw the ball, made his adjustments in time to make an easy catch and he failed to do it. It doesn't take an A.J. Green to make that catch but DRob failed to do his job on that play.

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Ball was not placed in the spot it needed to be for a TD. It was under thrown, as usual

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What? "It wasn't placed in the spot it needed to be for a TD"? You can't be serious. It was placed exactly where it needed to be for a TD: it hit an open receiver in the hands in the end zone. The receiver was able to pull the ball to his chest and lost control of it as he was going to the ground. Say what you want about the degree of perfection with the ball, but it's entirely fallacious to say that it wasn't thrown where it needed to be for a TD.

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Another under throw was the pickens throw vs Baylor. From the Klassroom article:

"Wide receiver George Pickens is so open that the ball finds its target anyway, but Fromm left this one about five yards short and put no speed on it. If he could have gotten this ball even one step further out in front, this could have been a touchdown."

"It’s wasted and unfulfilled opportunities like that that makes Fromm frustrating. Even with a clean pocket and a wide-open receiver, Fromm only gets the completion on a play that should have fairly easily been a touchdown. "

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I agree that the ball was underthrown here, but not because he doesn't have the arm strength. Fromm has thrown the ball much further than he did on the flea flicker to Pickens but has had problems being in syc with his receivers, sometimes overthrowing and sometimes overthrowning.

Klassen uses this example to point to his arm strength rather than simply being "off" on the throw to Pickens, which I think is not the issue. Klassen likely hasn't watched a ton of film on Fromm since he writes about college and NFL (and all teams, not just UGA), so I don't think he's taking the right approach to this play.

I think the better approach is trying to understand why he's not on the same page with his receivers, which has been the issue all season. To me, the answer is that the receivers haven't been disciplined on their routes and Fromm has had to try to adapt by lofting the ball a little bit more and hoping his targets can accommodate.

It is a troll.

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troll.

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Fromm threw the ball to the perfect spot but drob got there too quick so it looked like Fromm underthrew it.......

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Nah, it was an underthrow and I haven't said otherwise. I'm just saying that given the circumstances, it was a good enough throw to put 7 on the board and the receiver couldn't execute.

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FDS

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I have derangement from watching shitty QB play this past season. I love how you like to paint Fromm detractors like we're all libtards though, because that's clearly not the case.

The receivers weren't great, and no one is saying they were, but it wasn't like it was a completely talentless receiver room. If Fromm was as good as you think he was, he would have elevated their level of play and not the other way around. The great ones do that.

He did some good things for Georgia. He stepped in during a tough situation early in 2017 and settled things down. Now I think him leaving for the NFL is the best thing for all parties. Hope he does well but his hand size and arm strength will hold him back in the NFL.

Can we get a new thread, please? And maybe rename this one something more befitting?

God, you suck! Between you, HT and NCwhatever no thread is safe from hijacking.

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thats rich

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Another post without any substance. There is a reason you dont talk football much.

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said that a receiver who is standing there facing the QB and tracking the ball the entire way to his hands has an easier catch than a receiver who is running to the back of the endzone and attempting an over the shoulder.

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Dawg country said that? Are you sure?