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re: Fields isn't ready

Posted on 11/13/18 at 11:48 am to
Posted by FooManChoo
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Posted on 11/13/18 at 11:48 am to
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My opinion (and yours above is also opinion), is simply Kirby is satisfied enough w/ Fromm's play that he doesn't feel the need to invite any type of distractions by playing Fields more.
I don't think it's about distractions. My opinion is that CKS thinks Fromm is a big boy now who can handle himself like a professional and not get thrown off by being pulled in favor for Fields when the situation calls for it.

I think CKS wants to play the players who give us the best chance of success at any given moment and that he's willing to swap in Fields when he thinks Fields gives us the best chance of success. Right now I think that means using Fields' legs instead of Fromm's arm. Right now Fields gives us nothing with his arm because Fromm can make all the throws and is likely more accurate than Fields right now. What Fields gives us is a mobile option that is a step or two (or three) above Fromm while maintaining the threat to pass if necessary.

And yes, I agree that CKS is satisfied enough with Fromm that he doesn't feel the need to rush getting Fields out on the field when he isn't needed. Fromm has been superb in the 2nd half of this season especially and in no game this season can I point to a situation where Fromm was the reason why we lost (LSU) or struggled on offense. When we struggled, we struggled as a team. On the other hand, Fromm has shown time and time again to be reliable in big moments throughout the season, getting our offense in position to succeed and making good decisions that help us win games. There's no reason to change that up right now just to satisfy the curiosity of some fans.

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My opinion is that Kirby probably just wants to get Fields enough reps to gain confidence and only use him extensively when absolutely necessary (kind of like a fire axe behind glass).
I partially agree. I think the reps Fields is getting is somewhat based on how well he practices and mostly how well Fromm is playing and what the situation on the field dictates. CKS knows that Fields is a threat to defenses and a good weapon for us right now so I think he's getting his reps for the following reasons and likely in this order:

1. There are situations where Fields actually becomes more of an asset than Fromm
2. CKS wants to get Fields more experience in case Fromm goes down
3. Fields has been practicing well lately according to CKS is and is being rewarded with more reps
4. CKS wants to ensure Fields continues to see playing time to keep him at UGA

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Fields not only is a gifted athlete, he is very smart cookie as well. Made 29 on ACT and was top 20 in his class at Harrison HS. He's not "slow" and he is a student of the game.
None of that means he has been able to pick up our play book quickly. It's not just a matter of understanding concepts (which a high IQ or a high football IQ helps with), but memorizing all of the plays and where all of the other players need to be. It's simply a lot of information and it takes time to know it so well you can execute it without really thinking about it. Even Fromm wasn't working with the entire play book last season and he's was exceptional with his knowledge and recognition as a true freshman. Again, it's not about is ability to understand the play book, but how quickly he can know it inside and out. He might have the entire play book down, but then there is the decision making aspect of it, which brings us to...

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He was a throw-first/run 2nd QB in high school and played for a really good coach in Matt Dickman. Fields is not your average "dual threat" QB. Further, Fields was an early enrollee. I don't believe for one second he is struggling w/ reads and picking up the offense.
First of all, learning the playbook and reading defenses are two different things. Without trying to sound condescending, the play book tells the QB what the offense wants to do to move the ball and the defensive coverage tells the QB what the defense is trying to do to stop them from moving the ball. Both of those things need to be understood in order for a QB to make the right decision of where to go with the ball to maximize the yards gained per play while minimizing the risk of a turnover or a loss of yards. A QB needs to know both to be successful in the long run and it's rare that a QB can play as a true freshman and understand both concepts well enough to efficiently run an offense while limiting turnovers.

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Does he have it mastered as much as Jake Fromm who has had a year's head start and starter snaps as a Freshman? NO. And that is the point of my entire argument w/ the lot of you. FIELDS is ready, but FROMM is already in the #1 seat and doing well - if there was no such thing as Jake Fromm, Fields would already be the talk of the SEC - but FROMM is here and, for now, Fields is blocked. I expect 2019 to be wide open - if Fromm beats out Fields in the off-season, then maybe Fields transfers. However, next season, when Fields has had more time and practice, I expect him to seriously challenge Fromm for starter spot.

Bottom-line and back to the OP, there is no evidence that "Justin Fields isn't ready" - there is only the proof that Jake Fromm is.

The END.
Maybe you should define what you mean by saying Fields is "ready". When I hear the phrase "he's ready to be the starter" or "he's ready to run the offense", I think of several different attributes such as knowledge of the playbook, ability to read defenses and check in to and out of plays and protections, and the ability to consistently make good decisions with the football. Does Fields do all of these things to the point of being able to effectively run our offense? I don't know.

I've seen him do the classic one-look-and-run technique several times in his limited snaps. That tells me he either doesn't know the play book, isn't comfortable with the coverages, doesn't trust his OL, or he's told he shouldn't stand in the pocket and find an open receiver but take off, instead. If he's being told to take off after the first read, I question if the coaches think he's ready for more than that.

To summarize: what I've seen so far from Fields is an athletically gifted young man who is an asset to us running the ball and can hit some short to medium throws when called to do it. I haven't seen enough to tell me that he's ready to take over for a battle-tested QB in Fromm to lead the offense with his legs and his arm. I haven't seen enough evidence to tell me that he's "ready".
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
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Posted on 11/13/18 at 12:31 pm to
I am going give fields the benefit of doubt unlike foo and others are. I think he would be a damn good qb right now if he has the reps that come with starting like Fromm did last year. He has had zero chance to get in rhythm with these random run plays here and there.
Posted by Whiznot
Albany, GA
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:26 pm to
There is no question that Fields is more athletic than Fromm is. So far Fields' average gain per play is higher than Fromm's average and Fields has never turned the ball over. Those facts aren't very significant because Fields has only seen limited action.

I am not arguing that Fields should supplant Fromm but he deserves some whole series with balanced play-calling. I worry that Fields is being intentionally undermined instead of being developed. I've never seen any coach manage the most important position the way Kirby is managing Fromm and Fields.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41669 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:28 pm to
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I am going give fields the benefit of doubt unlike foo and others are.
Give the benefit of doubt to what? That Fields is ready to run our offense right now? Fromm had a lot of growing pains last season but his accomplishments were the exception, not the rule. It's very prudent to not give that benefit of the doubt to an untested true freshman QB until he proves otherwise, especially when you have one of the better QBs in the country currently managing your offense.

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I think he would be a damn good qb right now if he has the reps that come with starting like Fromm did last year.
Maybe, but the question isn't whether or not Fields should play in the absence of Fromm, but whether or not we should be playing Fields instead of a healthy Fromm. Fromm may not be as good right now if Eason never got hurt. Fromm has improved with experience and logically, so would Fields, but Fields shouldn't get to play over Fromm just because he has potential to be the best QB ever. There's also a risk that he's a bust. I think it's appropriate how he's been used so far.

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He has had zero chance to get in rhythm with these random run plays here and there.
Fromm came in and sparked the offense on the first play after Eason went down last season. You make the most of the opportunities given to you. You could just as easily say that it's harder for Fromm to keep his rhythm while being taken out for Fields, but Fromm doesn't seem to care, nor does he play like it affects him.

Stars rise to the occasion and so far Fields has done a good job of being the #2, but he hasn't shown that he deserves to start or to get more playing time than what he's been given. Maybe next year will be different after he's had an entire off-season to improve.
Posted by Barstools
Atlanta
Member since Jan 2016
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Posted on 11/13/18 at 2:55 pm to
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 I think


I see where you went wrong.
Posted by Long Dawg
Acworth, GA
Member since Dec 2017
2046 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:20 pm to
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Maybe you should define what you mean by saying Fields is "ready". When I hear the phrase "he's ready to be the starter" or "he's ready to run the offense", I think of several different attributes such as knowledge of the playbook, ability to read defenses and check in to and out of plays and protections, and the ability to consistently make good decisions with the football. Does Fields do all of these things to the point of being able to effectively run our offense? I don't know.

I've seen him do the classic one-look-and-run technique several times in his limited snaps. That tells me he either doesn't know the play book, isn't comfortable with the coverages, doesn't trust his OL, or he's told he shouldn't stand in the pocket and find an open receiver but take off, instead. If he's being told to take off after the first read, I question if the coaches think he's ready for more than that.

To summarize: what I've seen so far from Fields is an athletically gifted young man who is an asset to us running the ball and can hit some short to medium throws when called to do it. I haven't seen enough to tell me that he's ready to take over for a battle-tested QB in Fromm to lead the offense with his legs and his arm. I haven't seen enough evidence to tell me that he's "ready".



Have resisted getting back in this fray as I don't want to get suspended from posting privileges - like this place.

When I hear "Fields isn't ready" - to me, it means the OP is saying Fields couldn't survive and succeed as a starting QB for the Georgia Bulldogs right now - and I disagree.

A totally different statement would be "Fields isn't ready to dethrone Fromm" - maybe this is what the OP meant but that is not the way I took it - I would agree that the starters job for Jake is unchallenged for the balance of this season. However, I believe Fields could have had similiar success as Fromm (last year) had he gotten the job and played the whole year like Jake did last year. There is no way to prove it because it's not happening but that is my belief.
This post was edited on 11/13/18 at 3:21 pm
Posted by Dawgirl
Member since Oct 2015
6132 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 3:27 pm to
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"Fields isn't ready to dethrone Fromm"


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it means the OP is saying Fields couldn't survive and succeed as a starting QB for the Georgia Bulldogs right now


Ok then let me clarify. I meant both.

After watching Fields during the Auburn game, I do not think he is ready to take over as QB on a permanent basis. Playing Austin Peay, Middle TN and UMASS are completely different than playing an SEC opponent. I wanted Kirby to leave Fields in during the AU game and got my wish. Fields is not ready to play an entire game against an SEC team. He needs more practice, more reps, more film room. IMO, he can't read the defense well enough either. I think the kid will be a great QB but its not going to be this year.

Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
39994 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 7:46 pm to
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I do value your opinion, but it is one of many other opinions I value.


I can appreciate that. That's the way it should be around here.
Posted by djsdawg
Member since Apr 2015
32855 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 8:46 pm to
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I see where you went wrong.


Hopefully you didnt put too much thought into this worthless post.
Posted by Peter Buck
Member since Sep 2012
12415 posts
Posted on 11/13/18 at 9:46 pm to
Thread’s dead.
Posted by FaCubeItches
Soviet Monica, People's Republic CA
Member since Sep 2012
5875 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 3:10 am to
Posted by DawgsLife
Member since Jun 2013
58913 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 7:22 am to
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Thread’s dead.

Thread and argument should have been dead three weeks ago.

It boils down to arguments like:

I think....
He could....
He might...
He should....
He probably...
If he......


It took me awhile to realize that you can't argue against "He might...."
Posted by FlatwoodsForester
Member since Jul 2012
2569 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 9:06 am to
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I worry that Fields is being intentionally undermined instead of being developed.


What reason would Kirby have to intentionally undermine the kid?

Posted by DawgCountry
Great State of GA
Member since Sep 2012
30548 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:32 am to
what else would these guys have???
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora, Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
63958 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 11:40 am to
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I worry that Fields is being intentionally undermined instead of being developed.





Posted by DaveyDownerDawg
2021 NATIONAL CHAMPIONS
Member since Sep 2012
6619 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 2:46 pm to
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Thread’s dead.



Thank you. I can't believe this is still a thing.
Posted by Dawgirl
Member since Oct 2015
6132 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 3:03 pm to
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Thread’s dead.


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Thank you. I can't believe this is still a thing.



I myself can't believe this thread got so many triggered and is still going.

And I wasn't trying to rehash the argument. Just gave my opinion from what I noticed Saturday night.
Posted by FlatwoodsForester
Member since Jul 2012
2569 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 3:26 pm to
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I myself can't believe this thread got so many triggered and is still going.


I think it would die if people would quit insinuating our coaches are racist with fricked up comments like this....

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I worry that Fields is being intentionally undermined instead of being developed.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41669 posts
Posted on 11/14/18 at 5:17 pm to
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Have resisted getting back in this fray as I don't want to get suspended from posting privileges - like this place.
I certainly don't want to contribute toward getting anyone banned. I think the open discussion of ideas is exactly what a place like this is meant for, even if those discussions may get heated at times.

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When I hear "Fields isn't ready" - to me, it means the OP is saying Fields couldn't survive and succeed as a starting QB for the Georgia Bulldogs right now - and I disagree.
I actually agree with you based on that definition. I think Fromm was more ready last year than Fields was this year but I've got the luxury of seeing how Fromm played as the starter all season compared to a relative few number of snaps for Fields.

I was absolutely blown away at Fromm's ability to lead the offense (not just stand back there and do what the OC told him) as a freshman and I haven't seen many people be able to do that. I haven't seen that from Fields this season. He seems to be in there just running the plays he's given rather than taking control and leading with confidence. He's playing as I'd except a true freshman to play, and that's not a knock against him. I think Fromm made up for his lack of physical giftedness with excellent decision making, football IQ, and leadership skills.

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A totally different statement would be "Fields isn't ready to dethrone Fromm" - maybe this is what the OP meant but that is not the way I took it - I would agree that the starters job for Jake is unchallenged for the balance of this season. However, I believe Fields could have had similiar success as Fromm (last year) had he gotten the job and played the whole year like Jake did last year. There is no way to prove it because it's not happening but that is my belief.
It's very possible that Fields could have the success Fromm had last year. It's also just as likely that he could have had a season more like we had with Eason during his freshman year. Eason was/is physically gifted with a canon for an arm but he struggled with his mechanics and seeing the field. He also threw so hard (and often times just off the mark) that it made for a lot of dropped passes. I suspect Fields would be more in between Fromm and Eason due to his running ability to get him out of trouble.
Posted by Long Dawg
Acworth, GA
Member since Dec 2017
2046 posts
Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:30 pm to
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This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 5:11 am
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