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Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:45 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Posted on 11/11/18 at 9:45 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
I just finished a compilation of all of Fields' plays for the season so far.
Enjoy.
Fields 2018
Enjoy.
Fields 2018
This post was edited on 11/11/18 at 9:45 pm
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Posted on 11/11/18 at 10:21 pm to Barstools
Again, learn to read. I never said that Fields was The superior passer--I said that Some observers stated that Fields was a superior passer.
Language isn't your forte.
Language isn't your forte.
Posted on 11/11/18 at 11:20 pm to Whiznot
No shite, Sherlock. And I'm saying to you, what have you seen in the games that would make you believe that to be true? His inate ability to make one read and then run? It's really not a hard question.
You brought up some fairytale hearsay,so clearly you think it's true. I am asking for an example which would support the claim.
The word superior implies higher than another. So I inferred you were taking about the guy he's competing with. But now you are just saying some people that watch practice think he's a superior passer to someone, somewhere. Well that's wonderful insight. Thanks for sharing.
You brought up some fairytale hearsay,so clearly you think it's true. I am asking for an example which would support the claim.
The word superior implies higher than another. So I inferred you were taking about the guy he's competing with. But now you are just saying some people that watch practice think he's a superior passer to someone, somewhere. Well that's wonderful insight. Thanks for sharing.
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Posted on 11/12/18 at 1:43 am to ugastreaker
That would explain why we haven't won even a single game in going on three seasons now, and why the other teams go home at halftime.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 2:38 am to FooManChoo
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I just finished a compilation of all of Fields' plays for the season so far.
Watching these replays should be all the evidence anyone who knows anything about football needs to decide Fields can’t read as well as Fromm.
The Beth Mowins commentary in the video hurt my ears worse than Yoko Ono and that squealing bullshite she does.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 2:46 am to RedFive
I don't believe Newton played at all sitting behind Tebow as a frosh, Justin's time is coming sooner than later. It would not surprise me If he's the starter vs Vandy week 1 next season.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 12:12 pm to Peter Buck
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Fields doesn’t se the field well yet. That’s clear to people who understand football. Smart is easing him in to it. Hopefully it will slow down for him as he gets experience. Smart is keeping it so he can’t make too many bad decisions or make big mistakes. I’m overall impressed how it’s being handled.
Smart probably would have eased Fromm into it his freshman year as well - had he had a choice. Basically you have a Top 5 team coming off a runner-up to the Natty.
When people like you say "Fields doesn't see the field well yet" - what are you basing it on? Kirby brings Fields in for 1 play here, 1 play there, Saturday night was the first time he's been allowed to throw at all in 3-4 games. There is no time to get into the flow of the game, no time to read defenses, nothing. Do you know what the instructions are from the sidelines when Fields comes in the game? Do you know what his reads are supposed to be? Yeah, you don't - neither do I.
For all we know, on those pass plays it is more likely that the instructions Fields is getting is - make one read, if it ain't there, take off. Does that mean Fields cannot read the field or does it mean that Kirby is purposely just not giving Fields much because he just wants to ease him in - because that is what KIRBY just wants to do - not because Fields can't read the field or because Fields isn't ready.
I am giving you an alternative theory that has at least as much opportunity to be correct as yours. You might be right but you could just as easily be wrong. I haven't heard any whispers at all about Fields having problems in practice nor reading defenses or throwing INTs in bunches in practice.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 12:33 pm to RedFive
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Watching these replays should be all the evidence anyone who knows anything about football needs to decide Fields can’t read as well as Fromm.
You didn't watch them. Most of his passes were coming out fast because they were supposed to come out fast. That is what the play called for - Quick/Rhythm passing.
From the criticism being leveled at Fields "cannot read defense" - "not ready" - it is like you guys are convicting Fields for not setting up shop on a drop and reading three progressions and then distributing the ball - when you watch these plays, you see that Fields is doing EXACTLY what the play calls for.
It is like you want to blame Fields for the playcalls that Chaney makes and then Fields executes them as per playcall. On most of the runs, the WR is not open and there is no obvious place for the ball to go through the air - so Justin takes off and makes a positive play out of nothing. Yet, more criticism for this.
For all the accusations in this thread of "Fields apologists" - there is nothing to apologize for. Fields is doing well w/ what he is asked to do - which has not been much of late, especially passing. When he does pass he is usually asked to make a quick throw, and he does and completes at a high percentage - the ball is placed in front of the receiver and is mostly on the money. There was one terrible play vs. Austin Peay that could have spelled trouble on the sideways pass that could have been intercepted. Outside of that one play, there have been no other negative plays other than the 15yd sack against Auburn, where - the play before would have been a TD pass had it not been for the Auburn Pass Interference.
Please all quit making shite up.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 1:09 pm to Long Dawg
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Smart probably would have eased Fromm into it his freshman year as well - had he had a choice. Basically you have a Top 5 team coming off a runner-up to the Natty. When people like you say "Fields doesn't see the field well yet" - what are you basing it on? Kirby brings Fields in for 1 play here, 1 play there, Saturday night was the first time he's been allowed to throw at all in 3-4 games. There is no time to get into the flow of the game, no time to read defenses, nothing. Do you know what the instructions are from the sidelines when Fields comes in the game? Do you know what his reads are supposed to be? Yeah, you don't - neither do I. For all we know, on those pass plays it is more likely that the instructions Fields is getting is - make one read, if it ain't there, take off. Does that mean Fields cannot read the field or does it mean that Kirby is purposely just not giving Fields much because he just wants to ease him in - because that is what KIRBY just wants to do - not because Fields can't read the field or because Fields isn't ready. I am giving you an alternative theory that has at least as much opportunity to be correct as yours. You might be right but you could just as easily be wrong. I haven't heard any whispers at all about Fields having problems in practice nor reading defenses or throwing INTs in bunches in practice.
No doubt Fromm wouldn’t have had much PT his Freshman year if what’s his name stayed healthy and played well. In fact, Fromm would likely have played less than Fields has so far. Of course I could be wrong, but everything I’ve seen and the fact he called the roll out pass makes me beleive it’s not slowed down for him yet. Fromm is getting better too in my opinion. I can see Fields being a great QB too one day, but don’t see he has done anything on the field to seize the spot.
It’s a good issue to have, but working Fields in in packages lets him develop and gives the other teams more stuff to have to game plan against. Win/win.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 1:30 pm to Long Dawg
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Watching these replays should be all the evidence anyone who knows anything about football needs to decide Fields can’t read as well as Fromm. You didn't watch them. Most of his passes were coming out fast because they were supposed to come out fast. That is what the play called for - Quick/Rhythm passing. From the criticism being leveled at Fields "cannot read defense" - "not ready" - it is like you guys are convicting Fields for not setting up shop on a drop and reading three progressions and then distributing the ball - when you watch these plays, you see that Fields is doing EXACTLY what the play calls for. It is like you want to blame Fields for the playcalls that Chaney makes and then Fields executes them as per playcall. On most of the runs, the WR is not open and there is no obvious place for the ball to go through the air - so Justin takes off and makes a positive play out of nothing. Yet, more criticism for this. For all the accusations in this thread of "Fields apologists" - there is nothing to apologize for. Fields is doing well w/ what he is asked to do - which has not been much of late, especially passing. When he does pass he is usually asked to make a quick throw, and he does and completes at a high percentage - the ball is placed in front of the receiver and is mostly on the money. There was one terrible play vs. Austin Peay that could have spelled trouble on the sideways pass that could have been intercepted. Outside of that one play, there have been no other negative plays other than the 15yd sack against Auburn, where - the play before would have been a TD pass had it not been for the Auburn Pass Interference. Please all quit making shite up.
Why would I lie about something on a football board you imbecile? He’s thrown plenty of passes and missed a few wide open receivers. His check downs, which you call quick throws, are a result of his inability to read the defense as quickly as needed. Fields has all the tools, he just needs to practice better and do a better job of reading the D.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 1:37 pm to Long Dawg
[quote]quote: Fields doesn’t se the field well yet. That’s clear to people who understand football. Smart is easing him in to it. Hopefully it will slow down for him as he gets experience. Smart is keeping it so he can’t make too many bad decisions or make big mistakes. I’m overall impressed how it’s being handled. Smart probably would have eased Fromm into it his freshman year as well - had he had a choice. Basically you have a Top 5 team coming off a runner-up to the Natty. When people like you say "Fields doesn't see the field well yet" - what are you basing it on? Kirby brings Fields in for 1 play here, 1 play there, Saturday night was the first time he's been allowed to throw at all in 3-4 games. There is no time to get into the flow of the game, no time to read defenses, nothing. Do you know what the instructions are from the sidelines when Fields comes in the game? Do you know what his reads are supposed to be? Yeah, you don't - neither do I. For all we know, on those pass plays it is more likely that the instructions Fields is getting is - make one read, if it ain't there, take off. Does that mean Fields cannot read the field or does it mean that Kirby is purposely just not giving Fields much because he just wants to ease him in - because that is what KIRBY just wants to do - not because Fields can't read the field or because Fields isn't ready. I am giving you an alternative theory that has at least as much opportunity to be correct as yours. You might be right but you could just as easily be wrong. I haven't heard any whispers at all about Fields having problems in practice nor reading defenses or throwing INTs in bunches in practice.[/quot
What’s surprising to me is you spent so much effort coming up with that bullshite. If they are telling him to pull it down and run when his first read isn’t open it only means one thing, they don’t trust his decision making yet.
What’s surprising to me is you spent so much effort coming up with that bullshite. If they are telling him to pull it down and run when his first read isn’t open it only means one thing, they don’t trust his decision making yet.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 1:38 pm to Long Dawg
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You didn't watch them. Most of his passes were coming out fast because they were supposed to come out fast. That is what the play called for - Quick/Rhythm passing. From the criticism being leveled at Fields "cannot read defense" - "not ready" - it is like you guys are convicting Fields for not setting up shop on a drop and reading three progressions and then distributing the ball - when you watch these plays, you see that Fields is doing EXACTLY what the play calls for. It is like you want to blame Fields for the playcalls that Chaney makes and then Fields executes them as per playcall. On most of the runs, the WR is not open and there is no obvious place for the ball to go through the air - so Justin takes off and makes a positive play out of nothing. Yet, more criticism for this. For all the accusations in this thread of "Fields apologists" - there is nothing to apologize for. Fields is doing well w/ what he is asked to do - which has not been much of late, especially passing. When he does pass he is usually asked to make a quick throw, and he does and completes at a high percentage - the ball is placed in front of the receiver and is mostly on the money. There was one terrible play vs. Austin Peay that could have spelled trouble on the sideways pass that could have been intercepted. Outside of that one play, there have been no other negative plays other than the 15yd sack against Auburn, where - the play before would have been a TD pass had it not been for the Auburn Pass Interference. Please all quit making shite up.
Well, either the coaches think Fields isn’t ready to make complex, down field reads or they are conspiring to keep Fromm in front of him.
Whichever seems more reasonable to you I guess.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 1:59 pm to Peter Buck
quote:This is what it boils down to. You either trust the coaches to assess how Fields is progressing (which translates to game-time reps) or you don't.
Well, either the coaches think Fields isn’t ready to make complex, down field reads or they are conspiring to keep Fromm in front of him.
Whichever seems more reasonable to you I guess.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 2:02 pm to Long Dawg
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you see that Fields is doing EXACTLY what the play calls for.
Unless you called the play or were in the huddle you don't know if he is doing EXACTLY what the play is calling for.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 2:50 pm to Porter Osborne Jr
Quick throws are predetermined. This is obvious on its face. When the ball comes out of the QBs hands within two seconds, that is not a play that was designed to go through a three read progression.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 2:56 pm to Peter Buck
I am getting pounded in this thread like I am lobbying for Fields to start - and I am not doing so.
I am simply pointing out that there is no proof that Justin Fields isn’t ready to play - because there isn’t. This perspective has ZERO to do with Jake Fromm and it’s not “Fields vs Fromm”.
My perspective on this debate is simply Fromm is the incumbent, is playing well and there is no reason to make a pot of changes since Fromm is playing well. Everything I am saying is true and there is no conjecture.
On the other hand, all of you are saying Justin isn’t ready and you offer no proof and lots of speculation.
Whose the one creating the narrative? ;-)
I am simply pointing out that there is no proof that Justin Fields isn’t ready to play - because there isn’t. This perspective has ZERO to do with Jake Fromm and it’s not “Fields vs Fromm”.
My perspective on this debate is simply Fromm is the incumbent, is playing well and there is no reason to make a pot of changes since Fromm is playing well. Everything I am saying is true and there is no conjecture.
On the other hand, all of you are saying Justin isn’t ready and you offer no proof and lots of speculation.
Whose the one creating the narrative? ;-)
Posted on 11/12/18 at 3:01 pm to Long Dawg
The proof is in what the coaches let him do in football games and what we see him do in football games.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 3:08 pm to Long Dawg
quote:The proof is that he's not playing more, unless you buy into the idea that Chaney and Smart are racists and are keeping him out because they don't want him to dethrone the white guy.
I am simply pointing out that there is no proof that Justin Fields isn’t ready to play - because there isn’t.
Posted on 11/12/18 at 3:30 pm to FooManChoo
“The proof is he’s not playing more”
- that is your proof? :-D
- that is your proof? :-D
Posted on 11/12/18 at 3:42 pm to Long Dawg
quote:That's an evidence, yes. If he were ready to take over, he'd either be taking over by now or he'd be splitting snaps with Fromm in big games, not just take a few here and there.
“The proof is he’s not playing more”
- that is your proof? :-D
He's being eased into things because he's not there yet.
If you disagree, please explain what you think is the reason why he isn't getting more reps.
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