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re: Upcoming Elephant Walk will not stop at Sul Ross statue

Posted on 11/18/18 at 7:29 am to
Posted by WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
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Posted on 11/18/18 at 7:29 am to
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my fellow '08ers
Posted by shiner17
Lone Star State
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Posted on 11/19/18 at 9:59 pm to
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 11/19/18 at 10:14 pm to
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I don't know why this dumb idiot opened her mouth and decided to act as a minority mouthpiece. We're not all vulnerable half-wits who waste our time thinking about what should offend us and what shouldn't. That's no way to go through life.

Now don't get me wrong, I enjoy bursting people's Confederate pride bubble on the Poli board. But Sul's statue at A&M wasn't built to honor his Confederate past. It was to honor his work at Texas A&M. All this idiot has managed to do is piss off the Aggie Network. Good luck finding a job once a proud Aggie employer drops your name on Google.


ALL of this shite right here. All of it. Every blessed word.
This post was edited on 11/19/18 at 10:15 pm
Posted by cardboardboxer
Member since Apr 2012
34330 posts
Posted on 11/19/18 at 10:23 pm to
She is a poli sci major, so she obviously isn’t that concerned about employment.
Posted by International_Aggie
Member since Oct 2012
1088 posts
Posted on 11/19/18 at 11:35 pm to
I can't upvote this enough. I'm glad the student body is rejecting this bs. Maybe New Army hasn't completely gone to hell. (Although they're always just one step away.)
Posted by Texas Gentleman
Texas
Member since Sep 2015
2617 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 10:49 am to
Glad to see they stopped anyways.

So tired of people trying to force their opinions and value on others and tell us how we should feel. Newsflash, you aren’t forced to attend A&M, if you disagree with a school’s culture, beliefs, traditions, etc. you don’t have to attend there and try to change everyone else. Plenty of other public universities in this state.

The guy isn’t in his confederate uniform, we aren’t celebrating his time in the army. We commend what he did for this university in keeping it open and bettering it.

Sure the guy might have not had a perfect past, but the comment about judging all of history through the lense of what 2018 “progressives” think is appropriate, is spot on.
Posted by AggieDub14
Oil Baron
Member since Oct 2015
14624 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 10:59 am to
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All this idiot has managed to do is piss off the Aggie Network. Good luck finding a job once a proud Aggie employer drops your name on Google.


pretty much
Posted by TeLeFaWx
Dallas, TX
Member since Aug 2011
29177 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 4:50 pm to

Letter to the editor: To those who care more about a statue than fellow Aggies


By Margarita Zollo, Political Science Senior Nov 19, 2018

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Lawrence Sullivan Ross supported the Confederacy as a general, has ties to white supremacy, and committed many gratuitous acts of violence against people of color over the course of his life.

In the same way the Confederate flag symbolizes a history of hate towards marginalized ethnic and racial groups, the Sullivan Ross statue symbolizes a man who fought for racial inequality and systemic oppression. This statue is not only a reminder of that history, but also a glorification, whether it’s by the pennies left at its feet or the stop made for it on every campus tour. Students from a wide range of ethnic and racial backgrounds are forced to walk past this statue representing a man who would have sooner killed them than celebrated them. Sullivan Ross not only slaughtered a group of fleeing and unarmed indigenous women and children, but also ordered and took part in a massacre of black Union soldiers, who were recently freed former slaves with little to no military training and posed no threat to Ross. In his own words, each man was focused on “nothing but making his escape… but a few of them got away. The road all the way to Yazoo City was literally strewed with their bodies.”

Those who would rather stick up for the statue of a long-gone man rather than the emotional and mental well being of current, former, and future Aggies claim that the Ross statue is an important part of our history at the university and in the nation. If this is true, however, we should be honest about how our history is handled. Either this statue should be moved to a museum, where history can be remembered accurately, or should be given a visual marker to explain this history, along with a more honest and transparent account of Ross’ complex past during tours and campus discussions.

President Young and and Chancellor Sharp have said that historical items at A&M and at universities across the A&M System will be reviewed to ensure they are consistent with the university and the System's values. A highly visible and glorified statue of an overly violent Confederate general does not fit our school’s values of excellence and respect, or at least it shouldn’t if the administration truly wants everyone to feel welcome in our Aggie family.

If you or someone you know are interested in learning more about community and student-led activism and our demands for meaningful institutional change, feel free to find TAMU Anti-Racism on social media, or check out our latest petition on Change.org, “Demand Diversity and Inclusion Action at Texas A&M University.” Many of us support these demands because we’ve experienced or have seen people experience exclusion and hate from fellow Aggies based on our identities, and we would love to instead be a part of a community that gives all Aggies a chance to succeed and feel supported.





Letter to the editor: Chancellor Sharp says statue honors Sul Ross' service to all Texans

John Sharp, Texas A&M University System Chancellor Nov 20, 2018

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A recent letter attacking Lawrence Sullivan Ross in The Battalion claiming he “has ties to white supremacy, and committed many gratuitous acts of violence against people of color” is totally wrong and, in fact, the reverse is true!

Not only is it true that Ross saved Texas A&M when wealthy real estate developers in Austin were trying to shut it down, but he also saved Prairie View A&M as well. In a speech in Waco in July 1897, Edward Blackshear, for whom the Prairie View football stadium is named and who was the first leader of Prairie View A&M, praised Ross as perhaps the best friend black Texans ever had. Literally, Prairie View A&M and Texas A&M would not exist but for Lawrence Sullivan Ross.

Perhaps the writer of this letter also didn’t know that black children who were deaf and blind had no services available to them until Ross, as Governor, ordered the creation of an institute specifically for blind and deaf black children in Texas and created a mental health facility for black Texans because they were excluded from that as well.

In addition, he had NO ties to white supremacy as the writer wrongly asserts.

We are all entitled to our opinion, but we are not entitled to our own wrongheaded facts.

Lawrence Sullivan Ross will have his statue at Texas A&M forever, not because of obstinance, but because he deserves the honor with a lifetime of service to ALL TEXANS and ALL AGGIES.

Sincerely,

John Sharp Chancellor

Posted by CGSC Lobotomy
Member since Sep 2011
79980 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:07 pm to
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and we would love to instead be a part of a community that gives all Aggies a chance to succeed and feel supported.


Translation: frick you and your traditions, we want our point of view and "values" to be the only ones heard and if you disagree, you should kill yourself.
Posted by Texas Weazel
Louisiana is a shithole
Member since Oct 2016
8528 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 5:31 pm to
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check out our latest petition on Change.org, “Demand Diversity and Inclusion Action at Texas A&M University.” 

Back when I started as a freshman in 2006, you could make a case that diversity was lacking.

But today?? Hell nah! Minority college student must have it too easy today if this is what's concerning for them.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 11/20/18 at 11:57 pm to
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Margarita Zollo


This one in particular can go frick herself.

"Forced to walk past this statue" my black arse. More like slow down when booking it to Blocker from the Quad for an 8am exam so I can put a penny on it in observance of tradition. It's kind of important at this school, in case you hadn't heard, Margarita.

frickin' new army pukes.

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we would love to instead be a part of a community that gives all Aggies a chance to succeed and feel supported.





The Aggie Network is the most supportive alumni group in the goddamn world. Regardless of color. Bloody hell shite like this gets me worked up

Gonna act like you speak for all non-whites. fricking around with A&M traditions for no reason other than your political bullshite. She can go to hell.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46505 posts
Posted on 11/21/18 at 12:22 am to
Damn, Sharp carpet bombed the shite out of that Batt article
Posted by AggieDub14
Oil Baron
Member since Oct 2015
14624 posts
Posted on 11/21/18 at 8:04 am to
She just wants attention. And got the wrong kind of it. She only tells one side of the story and does it in the most scathing way possible. She has a short career in print journalism ahead of her. Followed by running her independent blog.
Posted by cokebottleag
I’m a Santos Republican
Member since Aug 2011
24028 posts
Posted on 11/21/18 at 8:52 am to
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guess me and my fellow '08ers are finally old army now. feelsgoodman


We were a good year.
Posted by Roger Klarvin
DFW
Member since Nov 2012
46505 posts
Posted on 11/21/18 at 7:39 pm to
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We were a gay year


Fixed
Posted by Texas Weazel
Louisiana is a shithole
Member since Oct 2016
8528 posts
Posted on 11/21/18 at 11:00 pm to
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And got the wrong kind of it.

She played herself. No proud Aggie is going to hire her now.
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