Upcoming Elephant Walk will not stop at Sul Ross statue

Good Lord everyone is a vag nowadays

You can feel included by going somewhere else.

Speaking seriously though I don't remember much about elephant walk.

We do a lot of retarded shite as a society, but insisting on judging all of human history based on the western morality of 2018 quite possibly takes the cake.

This is a great example of why I refuse to donate any money as long as that leftist Young is president.

guess me and my fellow '08ers are finally old army now. feelsgoodman

You know I don’t mind the concept of traditions changing over time to feel more inclusive, but if it’s a significant change it needs to be more than a token gesture with negligible benefit. And it needs to be done for those coming in, not for those with a foot out the door.

I mean are these Aggies who have felt excluded their entire time there really going to change an opinion just because they changed elephant walk? I just can’t see any of those self hating Aggies going “yeah I used to think the school was full of white racists who didn’t care about me but they changed one tradition after my four years there to be inclusive so now I like the place.” Doesn’t work that way.

Plus that doesn’t even consider the concept that the crowd who dislikes what A&M stands for as a culture are often there because it affords them an opportunity that they can’t get elsewhere. It seems so immature to me to not feel “included” in a place just because the culture revolves around conservative values when the liberal paradises you wish A&M was isn’t willing to give you a scholarship or a chance at a better life.

I don’t feel like this is such a black and white issue. Obviously if we had a statue of Bedford Forrest, then yeah let’s not stop there to honor it and probably take it down. On the other hand, everyone who was a southerner probably fought for the confederacy. Did Sul Ross ever do anything after the war that would have tarnished his legacy in regards to race? That’s my only question.

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I don’t feel like this is such a black and white issue. Obviously if we had a statue of Bedford Forrest, then yeah let’s not stop there to honor it and probably take it down. On the other hand, everyone who was a southerner probably fought for the confederacy. Did Sul Ross ever do anything after the war that would have tarnished his legacy in regards to race? That’s my only question.

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What if in his dying years he was secretly a part of the KKK? What if he didn’t believe in interracial marriage? What if he casually used the n-word in conversation? Would that make you want to tear down the statue even more?

What does any of this matter? He’s remembered for what he did for the University, in the context of the University. He helped students in incredible ways.

Do you believe in infidelity? Would you tell the women in your life you admired and remember a serial adulter? Someone that was proud of it? Someone that used their power to take advantage of women? Someone that even used religion to take advantage of women? Should someone that treated women so poorly have a national holiday? How is being on tape saying, “I’m fricking for Jesus tonight” as he slept with prostitutes behind his wife’s back, not tarnish MLK Jr.’s legacy? If you admire MLK Jr., you’re not allowed to also be for treating women correctly in your world? Or can you admire MLK Jr for his vision and impact on our society, regardless of how he treated women. You should contextualize his behavior and views and accept that even good people can behave horribly.

Somehow people have moved “racism”, and anything that is even tangentially related to “racism”, as an unforgivable sin. Could Remember the Titans even be made today? Or would people be so outraged that people grew past racial strife and something positive was achieved because it limited their ability to be outraged and make up oppression?

America has a racist past, sure. But we are a melting pot and are a great country that has done great things for all races. Look at Asia. That entire continent is racist as frick. Even the ones that have found their way here are still super racist. Find me an Asian world leader that wasn’t or isn’t racist. Are we going to get to a point where we take down every statue in Asia? Just erase every single Asian cultures’ impacts and positive benefits to the human condition because they should have known better? Or is it just Anglo-Saxon Americans from 150 years ago that should have known better?

My grandpa is Mexican. Before the dementia hit, he was one of the least racist people I ever knew. He publicly chastized a powerful person(by Oklahoma standards) for saying a black athlete wasn’t smart enough to play quarterback in the 70s. My grandfather’s social and economic status, which probably wasn’t the best being a Mexican in Oklahoma in the 70s, never recovered. My grandmother never forgave him.

You know what else? My grandfather was also a misogynist piece of shite. He beat his kids. Was a mean drunk. He did something unspeakable to my grandmother. I’ll remember all these things about him. He’s currently in hospice, which he’s been in for months. Hanging on like the stubborn arse hole he was. I’ll shed a tear when he passes. I’ll remember his beliefs on racial equality because he sacrificed more than he knew, for something he deeply believed in. I’ll hurt even more for my dad, who will finally be able to lay to rest a man he hated. None of this diminishes his stance on racism.

Look. Slavery is evil. It was evil in the time of the Civil War, and Confederate Generals were fighting to preserve the South’s way of life, which economically was tied to slavery, but the Emancipation Proclamation was two years in to the War. Lincoln cared more about keeping the Union together than he did ending slavery.

The US didn’t enter WW2 to stop the Nazis genocide of Jews. We entered because Japan attacked us. Had the US known about the Holocaust, we wouldn’t have entered the war any earlier.

And this isnt just some attitude from antiquity. Slavery exists today. You can watch the YouTube videos of black men being auctioned off on YouTube. The Obama Administration was behind regime change in Libya in 2011. No one can seriously say that Gaddafi‘s regime, as oppressive as it was, is worse than the failed state that has slave auctions. Yet in 2013, Obama and the CIA secretly began Operation Timber Sycamore trying to do the same thing to Bashar Al-Assad in Syria as they did to Gaddafi. Even in 2016, when the failed state of Libya’s slave trade was well known, Hillary Clinton ran for President vowing to maintain Obama’s policy of actively trying for regime change in Syria. Not trying to fix the slavery they brought upon the world in Libya, but implement the same policy that brought about slavery in another location. The same people that want every statue of anyone involved in the Confederacy cheered this.

And this isn’t just about some geopolitical black ops gone awry. The World Cup in Qatar will be built with slave labor. Hundreds of slaves will die in the construction process. Texas A&M has a campus in Qatar. Yet a statue of a man that saved the University and selflessly helped students study is somehow an issue.

Sorry for the rant.

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Amen. It is. I refuse to contribute money to institutions run by people who hate me. Go ahead and fund your enemies. Great decision.

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Don’t be such a drama queen

And besides, Michael Young is a devout Mormon. He’s a lot more conservative than you or I am.

TAMC has finally gone full retard