re: Kevin Sumlin

I think he must be a good interviewer, must talk confidently, has some big names on the resume (and was only fired by one of them when he was being hired by Arizona).

I remember us getting trashed by the media when we fired him, all the talking points of A&M was expecting too much, we wouldn’t hire anyone better, we didn’t give him enough time, etc. we all knew the truth, he’s just not a good coach and isn’t going to build a program into a conference contender no matter where he’s at.

What’s everybody’s thoughts on his next move? Sit out for a year or two and enjoy the money? Spin down to HC at a non P5 school? Coordinator/assistant at G5 or maybe still P5?

Some of these are already known but the thread on Sumlin on reddit is a good read

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What exactly was he even bitter about? He was given all the money to do whatever he wanted and still somehow managed to screw up the QB room so badly that two NFL QBs transferred out within a week of each other. I get that both Kyle and Kyler were clearly in a "I start or I transfer" frame of mind but good lord I'll never understand why was it so difficult for him to lay down the law and say this guy is the starter end of story.

Sumlin was bitter about how the fans treated him toward the end. Remember the letter that was sent to his house? He went on in detail about that, about his daughter reading it ... I hated to hear that story. Had heard it in print, to hear it from Sumlin himself was terrible

He also talked in detail about the two QB's. Called them spoiled, especially Kyler. He didn't even want the kid, according to him, but was forced by internal pressures to recruit him anyway. Supposedly Kyler messed up the team chemistry, which I can believe from supplemental information that came out after he went to Oklahoma.

I asked him about his job at AZ, and all he could talk about was the QB. He wasn't too thrilled with the rest of what he'd inherited, and told me that recruiting was hard in Arizona. Personally, I felt a little sorry for him at the time. Asked him if he had an Uber, shook his hand, and wished him luck.

I don't think he's a terrible person, but he's not a good coach, and has personal issues when put in high pressure situations from what I can tell - drinking in particular. I think he couldn't handle the magnifying glass at A&M.

EDIT after reading thread: I told him I lived in CO, and maybe he assumed the ring was from the Air Force Academy, since I told him I had served in the Air Force. He was pretty hammered ...

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Remember the letter that was sent to his house? He went on in detail about that, about his daughter reading it ... I hated to hear that story. Had heard it in print, to hear it from Sumlin himself was terrible

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That sucks but the letter-writer was arrested for stalking a Houston socialite and he was a Longhorn. Turns out Sumlin was just one of just many local "celebrities" this guy had sent hateful letters to. For Sumlin to use that as an example of how fans treated him is absolute garbage, and just shows what an out of touch drunk he was. Fans were demanding that A&M "back the truck up" to make him even richer every time he and his agent floated a B.S. rumor about the NFL or some other college coming after him. He and his agent did a fantastic job of manipulating self-loathing Aggies into thinking he was the best they could ever get.

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I think he couldn't handle the magnifying glass at A&M.

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That part I can understand. I've always been creeped out by the old closet-case jocksniffers on TexAgs posting detailed stories about the backup WR they saw at Wings N More or the position coach they "happened to run into" at Home Depot to discuss the depth chart. I'm sure some of that goes on in other college towns, but I think the creepiness of Texags tends to amplify it. Sumlin probably would've been happier in the pros (or a bigger city) where players and coaches can go out for dinner and drinks like normal people.

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But for him to cite that example when it was publicly proven long ago that the letter wasn't from thr Aggie fanbase kinda goes to show that he wants to be a victim of maltreatment at the hands of TAMU

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I think his gripe about that incident is fair. A lot of fans came after Charlene and questioned the authenticity of the claim itself. Lets not forget that a lot of people were saying she wrote it (there was an entire thread dedicated at examining the writing style and tried to pin it on her on TexAgs). Other fans were mad that she made it public as if she was supposed to just suck it up. I'm not about to tell anyone how they should react to racist behavior. Personally, I would have thrown the letter straight into the trash. But I can understand why she wanted to bring attention to a letter that ended with "or else". Instead of our community coming together and condemning it, a few Ags online were more interested in questioning her intentions (on this very board too... y'all know who y'all are ). They weren't interested in finding the perp. They were more interested in smearing the Sumlins as fake/staged/convenient victims.

I think Sumlin has a right to be mad about that one. It was an all time low for Aggie fans online.

But everything else he needs to own it. He was given the resources to win and didn't. We gave him a guaranteed contract, we upgraded facilities, renovated the stadium, and paid top dollar for his coordinators. And he never came close to sniffing a conference championship, much less a NY6 bowl.

You forgot that Charlene Sumlin definitively claimed it was the A&M community that did it with no proof.

Everyone can keep hating on him but he’s a very rich man thanks to Aggie, but we got something out of it too

Immediate recognition and respect in the sec for our first miracle season, a heisman trophy and the big money donations that flowed because of all that that got us the top of the world facilities we have now

I have only animosity towards him for 1 thing, UCLA