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re: I don’t see a winnable SEC game for the rest of the year
Posted on 10/6/21 at 10:26 pm to The Balinese Club
Posted on 10/6/21 at 10:26 pm to The Balinese Club
It's safe to say that every 2018 offensive line signee has been a massive bust.
Colten Blanton - Injured, never played
Tank Jenkins - Never saw the field, now a SR OL at UH
Luke Matthews - Injured, hardly played
Barton Clement - Never saw the field. Left the team
Fisher and TURNER only signed 3 OL in the 2019 class. (Turner left for the Bengals after the 2018 season and most of the 2019 class was signed before Henson arrived)
Kenyon Green - started every game since 2019, likely 1st round pick
Layden Robinson - current starter at RG
Blake Trainor - A taller Colton Prater
Fisher and Henson have done a bit better from 2020-2021
Chris Morris - Arrested and kicked off the team (would have started this year)
Aki Ogunbiyi - Started 4/5 games this year, redshirted in 2020
Josh Bankhead - TBD, redshirted in 2020
Smart Chibuzo - TBD, redshirted in 2020
Jordan Jefferson - Moved to DL
Bryce Foster - Started 5/5 games this year
Reuben Fatheree - Started 2/5 games this year
Trey Zuhn - TBD
Jordan Moko - TBD
Remington Strickland - TBD
Matt Wykoff - TBD
T:Jahmir Johnson - Got worse between FR and SR years, started 5/5 games this year
Currently have 2 4* OL committed and MIGHT sign Dewberry (4*) and Nabou (3*) as well as a JUCO OT (Webber) from NMMI.
Colten Blanton - Injured, never played
Tank Jenkins - Never saw the field, now a SR OL at UH
Luke Matthews - Injured, hardly played
Barton Clement - Never saw the field. Left the team
Fisher and TURNER only signed 3 OL in the 2019 class. (Turner left for the Bengals after the 2018 season and most of the 2019 class was signed before Henson arrived)
Kenyon Green - started every game since 2019, likely 1st round pick
Layden Robinson - current starter at RG
Blake Trainor - A taller Colton Prater
Fisher and Henson have done a bit better from 2020-2021
Chris Morris - Arrested and kicked off the team (would have started this year)
Aki Ogunbiyi - Started 4/5 games this year, redshirted in 2020
Josh Bankhead - TBD, redshirted in 2020
Smart Chibuzo - TBD, redshirted in 2020
Jordan Jefferson - Moved to DL
Bryce Foster - Started 5/5 games this year
Reuben Fatheree - Started 2/5 games this year
Trey Zuhn - TBD
Jordan Moko - TBD
Remington Strickland - TBD
Matt Wykoff - TBD
T:Jahmir Johnson - Got worse between FR and SR years, started 5/5 games this year
Currently have 2 4* OL committed and MIGHT sign Dewberry (4*) and Nabou (3*) as well as a JUCO OT (Webber) from NMMI.
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Posted on 10/7/21 at 10:44 am to CGSC Lobotomy
We are really paying the price for that 2018 Class, it left a talent gap right where we needed it now. The good news is that OL will improve with time but it's going to be a rough road getting there.
Also agree that the D isn't blameless. They needed to be great and are just good. What angers me the most is they can be amazing when they are fired up but they have had moments where they just sleepwalked like the first part of the Arkansas game. Now they are getting injuries as well so it's going to be harder without as much depth in the Defensive secondary.
I'm completely fine with Jimbo getting the brunt of the blame but I also have enough perspective that this is basically his backup and backup to his backup plans that are failing. That's on him but it's a fixable issue.
This is just one of those really difficult times when we just have to ride it out with the cards we have been given and not panic. At the end of the season we will have plenty of time for blame and re-assessment. In the meantime we just have to hope they can pull it together and salvage something to get out of this seeming free fall.
Also agree that the D isn't blameless. They needed to be great and are just good. What angers me the most is they can be amazing when they are fired up but they have had moments where they just sleepwalked like the first part of the Arkansas game. Now they are getting injuries as well so it's going to be harder without as much depth in the Defensive secondary.
I'm completely fine with Jimbo getting the brunt of the blame but I also have enough perspective that this is basically his backup and backup to his backup plans that are failing. That's on him but it's a fixable issue.
This is just one of those really difficult times when we just have to ride it out with the cards we have been given and not panic. At the end of the season we will have plenty of time for blame and re-assessment. In the meantime we just have to hope they can pull it together and salvage something to get out of this seeming free fall.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 4:06 pm to aggressor
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It's part of why I think folks that think that Mond would be so great if we had him are naive.
Would Mond be as good as he was last year? Probably. Would he be a hell of a lot better than Calzada and more than likely have led us to wins against Arkansas and Miss State. 100%. Mond would transform this team from being at risk of missing a bowl to a likely 10 game winner. Say what you will about Mond but he wasn't scared to step up into the pocket, was far more willing to anticipate where his WRs would be and throw to that spot, and he was light years better at navigating a pocket.
The line hasn't been good but it hasn't been so bad that we need to be perfect to win. There are plenty of plays to be made but Calzada's continued inability to play with proper mechanics makes operating at a good enough level in Jimbo's offense nearly impossible. His poor footwork alone is enough to disrupt any kind of rhythm in our offense as it causes him to often throw both behind and over his intended targets. So while I do think he has a certain amount of moxie that his teammates are responding well to if he can't even set his feet when the pocket holds there is no hope he can perform well enough when he's forced to move around.
I hope he puts it together b/c he does occasionally throw a beautiful pass that gives hope but until he can show he can lead the team to 30+ points I just can't expect any wins out of him.
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 10/7/21 at 4:19 pm to NanosTacoRun
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I also think you could say we could be 4-1/5-0 if Elko's defense didn't get torched for three long 1st quarter scoring drives right out the gate vs Arkansas or give up 90 plays and 28 1st downs vs Mississippi State.
While the defense didn't play lights out it only gave up 24 to Mississippi State and 20 to Arkansas. In both of games the opponent was held to a FG after the offense turned it over deep in our own territory so one could fairly say the defense was really only responsible for 21 vs Miss St and 17 vs Ark. In both games the defense only gave up 1 touchdown/score in the second half. The only points A&M's defense has given up in the 4th since Kent State was the FG Arkansas was gifted after A&M turned it over via the Calzada INT that hit a lineman in the head.
That should be enough to win a conference game. So while they haven't played the last two well enough to win the game but in the end I really don't think they are the reason we lost.
This post was edited on 10/7/21 at 4:28 pm
Posted on 10/7/21 at 5:30 pm to Dr RC
Agree that they are not the reason we lost either game, but the offense is not good enough to come back from 17 down and we never should have been in that position if the defense does its job.
Elko and the defense had a lot of hype coming into the season, and they've played really well in spurts, but I think they've been disappointing in our two sec games. Need more from them going forward.
Elko and the defense had a lot of hype coming into the season, and they've played really well in spurts, but I think they've been disappointing in our two sec games. Need more from them going forward.
Posted on 10/7/21 at 5:38 pm to NanosTacoRun
Arkansas' first 3 possessions started at
Their own 14
Their own 20
Their own 18
Knowing our offense would struggle, giving up 17 pts off those 3 possessions was an epic fail
Their own 14
Their own 20
Their own 18
Knowing our offense would struggle, giving up 17 pts off those 3 possessions was an epic fail
Posted on 10/10/21 at 9:50 pm to cokebottleag
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I don’t see a winnable SEC game for the rest of the year
I’m feeling good about the Alabama game.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 1:17 pm to Hugh McElroy
I'm puzzled at this point. How this team could do that and simply not show up against MSU is simply beyond words. Let's see what happens at MU next weekend. I won't watch, simply because we lose if I do so.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 1:19 pm to ColoradoAg
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How this team could do that and simply not show up against MSU is simply beyond words.
They lost against Mississippi State because of three things.
1. Two true freshman corners starting.
2. Some horrible bad breaks that ended scoring drives (bad snap by Foster, dropped passes by Smith and Wydermyer).
3. Mississippi State getting away with holding on almost every play.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 2:00 pm to ColoradoAg
It's a very talented team but has some glaring points of inexperience. That means inconsistency. Give some of those guys some confidence and great things can happen.
The main thing was the OL played very effectively last night and Calzada seemed to play like the pressure was off and just balled.
The real question is going to be what team shows up in Columbia. If they come out and roll Mizzou on the road this team could go win out. If they struggle (even with a W) then be prepared for at least 1 or maybe 2 more L's. If they stink it up then who the hell knows. Good news is I think it is very possible it is the first scenario, these guys are good.
The most impressive thing to me in that game btw was that they had at least 2 times that it would have been very easy for them to crack and end up losing with a "well they played a lot better than we expected!" feeling. This team wanted none of it. The first was the blocked punt and the immediate response with the KO return. The second was the obvious of Bama going ahead by 7 with 5 minutes left and taking the lead back. This team has some serious mental toughness.
The main thing was the OL played very effectively last night and Calzada seemed to play like the pressure was off and just balled.
The real question is going to be what team shows up in Columbia. If they come out and roll Mizzou on the road this team could go win out. If they struggle (even with a W) then be prepared for at least 1 or maybe 2 more L's. If they stink it up then who the hell knows. Good news is I think it is very possible it is the first scenario, these guys are good.
The most impressive thing to me in that game btw was that they had at least 2 times that it would have been very easy for them to crack and end up losing with a "well they played a lot better than we expected!" feeling. This team wanted none of it. The first was the blocked punt and the immediate response with the KO return. The second was the obvious of Bama going ahead by 7 with 5 minutes left and taking the lead back. This team has some serious mental toughness.
Posted on 10/11/21 at 11:18 pm to aggressor
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The real question is going to be what team shows up in Columbia. If they come out and roll Mizzou on the road this team could go win out. If they struggle (even with a W) then be prepared for at least 1 or maybe 2 more L's. If they stink it up then who the hell knows. Good news is I think it is very possible it is the first scenario, these guys are good.
I fully expect a sloppy game. Bama just wore our asses out physically and the emotional high of beating them is going to be tough to rebound from.
While A&M leads the series 8-7, six of the Aggie wins were before the year 2000 w/4 of them coming in the 90s before Gary Pinkel resurrected their program. W/Pinkel as HC we went 2-7 (2-4 home, 0-3 away) against them from 2002-14.
All of that plus an early start time? I thought this was a trap game before the season and IMO it's still a trap game. I'm happy with any win.
This will be only the 3rd A&M/Mizzou game that does not involve either RC Slocum or Gary Pinkel. The other two games were in 1957 and 1958. HCs in the '57 matchup were Bear Bryant and Frank Broyles. HCs the following year were Jim Myers and Dan Devine.
This post was edited on 10/11/21 at 11:23 pm
Posted on 10/12/21 at 2:57 pm to Dr RC
How they play Saturday will definitely tell us something about they're ability to maintain. Will be fun to watch.
Posted on 10/12/21 at 3:09 pm to Dr RC
Pinkel definitely had our number, at least it seemed that way
Posted on 10/12/21 at 3:56 pm to Old Sarge
So the more I think about it, the more I think our 2021 Bama win is very similar to the 2012 one.
Basically the best way to beat Alabama is to go up early and throw them out of their game plan. The CBS guys at halftime even said “well we don’t normally have to ask this question, but what does Alabama have to do in the second half to get back into the game?”. Get them out of their element and Saban isn’t invincible as he seems.
Just like in 2012 when we jumped up 20-0 (damn missed extra point from bertolet), some great plays like the manziel almost fumble and the interception when AJ McCaron hadnt thrown a pick in forever, we win 29-24, because Bama was playing from behind all game. This game is very similar, blown coverage on wydermyer and then two turnovers gives us the opportunity to go up by two scores through halftime and stuns Bama. Sure they come back and take the lead for a bit, but by that time our team is playing their asses off because they see they can hang with Bama and Calzada is playing with confidence and offensive line is gelling well.
Idk, maybe I’m just stating the obvious and y’all all laugh at me. But it just struck me how similar the circumstances are. And to tie back into some of the recent discussion, yes if we start off with some bad mistakes against mizzou, we could easily find ourselves in a dog fight and lose this coming Saturday. Inexperience leads to inconsistency, but jimbo is paid the big bucks to figure this stuff out and get the team ready for it.
Basically the best way to beat Alabama is to go up early and throw them out of their game plan. The CBS guys at halftime even said “well we don’t normally have to ask this question, but what does Alabama have to do in the second half to get back into the game?”. Get them out of their element and Saban isn’t invincible as he seems.
Just like in 2012 when we jumped up 20-0 (damn missed extra point from bertolet), some great plays like the manziel almost fumble and the interception when AJ McCaron hadnt thrown a pick in forever, we win 29-24, because Bama was playing from behind all game. This game is very similar, blown coverage on wydermyer and then two turnovers gives us the opportunity to go up by two scores through halftime and stuns Bama. Sure they come back and take the lead for a bit, but by that time our team is playing their asses off because they see they can hang with Bama and Calzada is playing with confidence and offensive line is gelling well.
Idk, maybe I’m just stating the obvious and y’all all laugh at me. But it just struck me how similar the circumstances are. And to tie back into some of the recent discussion, yes if we start off with some bad mistakes against mizzou, we could easily find ourselves in a dog fight and lose this coming Saturday. Inexperience leads to inconsistency, but jimbo is paid the big bucks to figure this stuff out and get the team ready for it.
Posted on 10/12/21 at 6:40 pm to Texas Gentleman
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the more I think our 2021 Bama win is very similar to the 2012 one.
I disagree. We never really stunned Alabama this Saturday. In 2012, we came in and scored three TDs in a row. This Saturday, we scored slow and steady and Alabama never looked shell shocked. It just felt like our team was well coached unlike in 2012 where we ran a gimmick offense that was designed to score fast and often.
It's also important to note that we never lost the lead in 2012. Had we lost the lead back then in the 4th quarter, I don't think we would have scored again. This past Saturday, we were down by 7 late in the 4th quarter and managed to win.
This post was edited on 10/12/21 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 10/13/21 at 8:36 am to Texas Weazel
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I disagree. We never really stunned Alabama this Saturday
You don’t think Alabama wasn’t shocked to be behind by two scores to a team that just lost to Arkansas and miss state, and barely squeaked by Colorado? They could get no pressure on our backup qb when Arkansas did it all game long with a 3 man rush? I think they very much were surprised and out of their element.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 11:03 am to Texas Gentleman
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You don’t think Alabama wasn’t shocked to be behind by two scores to a team that just lost to Arkansas and miss state, and barely squeaked by Colorado?
No. It wasn't like they got punched with three TDs in a row. This was a slow and steady battle the entire way
Posted on 10/13/21 at 1:46 pm to Texas Weazel
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It's also important to note that we never lost the lead in 2012. Had we lost the lead back then in the 4th quarter, I don't think we would have scored again. This past Saturday, we were down by 7 late in the 4th quarter and managed to win.
BIG (and key) difference, I agree.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 2:06 pm to TbirdSpur2010
I have noooooooooo clue what to think of this game. Why do you guys have to be so weird this year? Based on stats I've seen, and bits and pieces of your games, your passing defense is pretty eh. This is the only thing that gives me hope, but with our rushing defense it prob doesn't even matter.
In case some of you haven't heard - or (even worse) seen, we're ranked dead last in stopping the run. No, not of P5 schools, out of all 130 FBS schools.
In case some of you haven't heard - or (even worse) seen, we're ranked dead last in stopping the run. No, not of P5 schools, out of all 130 FBS schools.
Posted on 10/13/21 at 3:16 pm to mizslu314
Well, that’s good news for us. Being able to run the ball on the road is a good formula for success.
May the best team win.
May the best team win.
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