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Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:29 pm to Projectpat
Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:29 pm to Projectpat
It’s ok, some poor nurse will be taking care of that taint in a few years.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:43 pm to Roger Klarvin
still cant get over how after 3 years we still dont have enough depth to keep collins on the bench.
Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:55 pm to Uncle Gunnysack
Melting down these first 5 minutes of the 2nd half
This post was edited on 11/15/18 at 11:56 pm
Posted on 11/15/18 at 11:58 pm to Uncle Gunnysack
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still cant get over how after 3 years we still dont have enough depth to keep collins on the bench.
Carrying only 7 mostly unproven guards/forwards, while supposedly trying to run a 4-out offense is stupid
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:20 am to NanosTacoRun
So how much did we win by? I’ve been dealing with CIF all day
Posted on 11/16/18 at 7:52 am to Roger Klarvin
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There’s the built in excuse for BK
The built in excuse is that his program hasn't been supported nearly as much as the football program, despite him having much better results than his counterpart during his tenure.
College Basketball is even more mercenary than football. If we wanted a talented basketball team, we'd have one.
The only two rosters we had that were even remotely as talented as the football team, BK took to the sweet 16.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 9:17 am to Nguyening
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College Basketball is even more mercenary than football. If we wanted a talented basketball team, we'd have one.
Instead we chose to give Billy Kennedy a ridiculous contract extension
Posted on 11/16/18 at 9:57 am to NanosTacoRun
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Instead we chose to give Billy Kennedy a ridiculous contract extension
Billy Kennedy has delivered results the two times he's had a decent roster. How come we can't get him talent?
Posted on 11/16/18 at 10:09 am to Nguyening
We have another good recruiting class coming in next year (16th in the nation). Not 2015 good, but still good. For reference, the 2017 class (Flagg, Starks) was 29th.
We’re not going to be able to put together classes full of one and dones like the blue bloods, we’re leaps and bounds away from that status.
If this trend continued where we make the tournament every other year, and actually have success there, would anyone honestly be disappointed?
We’re not going to be able to put together classes full of one and dones like the blue bloods, we’re leaps and bounds away from that status.
If this trend continued where we make the tournament every other year, and actually have success there, would anyone honestly be disappointed?
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:10 am to Projectpat
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If this trend continued where we make the tournament every other year, and actually have success there, would anyone honestly be disappointed?
This is the type of attitude that has given us 1 football championship in the last 25 years.
"If this trend continues where we win 9+ games every 5 years, and win a couple bowl games, would anyone honestly be disappointed?"
I sure as frick hope we are disappointed and don't settle for a good ol boy coach who only keeps his job because of an incurable disease.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 11:57 am to WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
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This is the type of attitude that has given us 1 football championship in the last 25 years.
Hmm... odd. I still have my "2016 SEC Champions" t-shirt from a bit less than 25 years ago.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:04 pm to WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
Equating our football program with our basketball program is asinine.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 12:33 pm to Nguyening
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Billy Kennedy has delivered results the two times he's had a decent roster.
The 2015 roster was decent and he missed the tournament, so I reject the notion that Kennedy is a good coach who produces results if you give him the required talent.
As far as why we lack the desired roster strength more often than not, there are a myriad of reasons. A part of that is our history/culture/commitment to the sport. But it's also partly due to the staffs he has put together. And his inability to keep kids on campus and develop them. And his inability to accurate judge talent. And his lack of a coherent system. And his inability to recruit a group of players that match whatever it is he is trying to accomplish.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:23 pm to Projectpat
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If this trend continued where we make the tournament every other year
Those are terrible expectations. Mark Turgeon proved that we can be a consistent tournament team (and he did that while we were in the Big12).
It shouldn't be a matter of if we are a tournament team. It should be a matter of how far can we get into the tournament.
Posted on 11/16/18 at 1:24 pm to WhiskerBiscuitSlayer
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"If this trend continues where we win 9+ games every 5 years, and win a couple bowl games, would anyone honestly be disappointed?"
That hasn't been ok with the boosters since Gene Stallings went 27–45–1 over 7 seasons. That famous picture of him and Bear at the Cotton Bowl? That was Stallings 3rd year. A&M went 7-4 that season after starting the year 0-4. It was his only year with a winning record.
Emory Bellard had far more success than Stallings. By his 3rd year they won 8 games. They had a legitimate chance of winning the national title under him in '75. In years 4 and 5 they won 10 games each year. Even with that succes he was forced to resign mid season in a year the team was 4-2.
Bellard's replacement Tom Wilson only got 3 and a half seasons as HC.
After that we spent out the arse to steal Saint Jackie from Pitt. People tend to forget that Jackie may have been fired had he not upset TCU and Texas at the end of his 3rd year.
I'm assuming the idea that we'll tolerate any shmoe who wins 10 games b/c RC lasted so long as HC. Nobody ever seems to care that RC was stuck with old school red arse Ags who gave no shits that our facilities needed major upgrading to keep competitive b/c "it's good enough". Even so, he was our most successful HC since Danna X Bible. He didn't hang around b/c Ags are fine with winning 10 now and then. He stayed b/c he won big. If the AD and BMAs had actually listen to him about keeping up in the facility wars we never would have fallen so far behind in the first place.
Then we have Fran. A guy who turned out to be the biggest fraud ever. He got 5 years and only b/c it seems like he might have turned around the team in year 4. Then the boosters turned around and used his secret newsletter that many of them had known about all along to nuke him from orbit.
Sleepy Sherman got all of 4 years to undue the damage Fran did to the program. Who knows if he really would have picked Showers over Manziel. If Sherman had been better at toeing the company line on the move to the SEC he might have been given that choice to make. Unfortunately for him, a year filled with mystifying collapses put a target on his back. Considering the way he was fired, it's clear he got caught up in a booster power struggle.
Finally we have K Rock. Yes, he got stuck in an 8-5 trap. Yes, his best two years were with Johnny. Yes, he lost a mess of QBs to transfer. Yes he should have done better. But... he was also a bit of a victim of his own early success. When he was hired everyone and they mother thought A&M was going to take the express train to pound town by the SEC. Dislike the guy's trajectory as much as you want but the fact that we were competitive right away wasn't what most expected. In the end, 6 years really isn't an eternity to keep a coach who had his results. Maybe he would have been fired sooner had his contract not been so favorable but I don't see how anyone can complain about that when we just guaranteed Jimbo $75 million over 10 years. He could have the exact same results as Sumlin and he ain't getting fired with that contract after 6 years.
Anyway, long story short, we haven;t really tolerated a ton of bad football. Usually coaches only get 4 to 5 years if things aren't trending in a positive direction. RC got the most slack b/c he was very successful for a long time and we weren't anywhere close to going full bore with facilities under him like we are now.
As for BK, we don't spend what is needed for him, or any other coach, to thrive year to year in basketball. We can't lean on past blue blood history. We don't have the most impressive basketball facilities. We don't have a rabid fanbase that is a lock to fill Reed (even in our good years attendance is never consistently good). We don't have alumni running major athletic apparel companies. We don't have the kind of bagmen that can work the slimy world of AAU to direct players to us. We don't have much of anything that would indicate we should be a really good team year in and year out. We don't even have the big money boosters who care enough about basketball to change those things. Unless we throw down the gauntlet and spend to the point that players go "Holy shite, that's a place to ball out" it's just not gonna happen.
This post was edited on 11/16/18 at 1:27 pm
Posted on 11/17/18 at 12:27 pm to Dr RC
We don’t deserve a good basketball team. Our fans don’t give a shite. Why should we expect anything better than what we have? We had our chance with Turgeon, and nobody showed up (I was in school at the time and rarely missed a game, so frick y’all).
This post was edited on 11/17/18 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 11/17/18 at 12:30 pm to agalloch
sadly, i agree. i still think fran had as much to do with our fanbases excitement as gillispie did
Posted on 11/17/18 at 6:58 pm to agalloch
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We had our chance with Turgeon, and nobody showed up
Turgeon wasted the opportunity as much as the fans did, probably more since he actually had influence over our W-L record
Posted on 11/18/18 at 11:38 pm to NanosTacoRun
You better be watching this shite, pat. You deserve every second of this season.
Posted on 11/19/18 at 12:20 am to Roger Klarvin
The switch to an uptempo, 3-based offense looks to be a disaster and Mitchell doesn't appear to be the savior some might have hoped he would be. But at least Mahan showed he can contribute, if you're looking for any positives.
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