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re: 2015 Recruiting Discussion
Posted on 2/5/15 at 10:09 am to cardboardboxer
Posted on 2/5/15 at 10:09 am to cardboardboxer
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The only real what if I have is related to Boyd- IE if would have been committed for a year maybe we would have signed him. But maybe he still would have flipped due to family pressure, which would have given Charlie the former Aggie commit he coveted this cycle. You just never know.
I agree. We opened ourselves up to be negative recruited with him. It's tough to really gauge our strategy without knowing how the conversations with Sheffield went though
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Posted on 2/5/15 at 10:26 am to Roger Klarvin
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The bottom line is going to the SEC upped the ante. Top 10 classes regularly are required to win this conference. Letting elite players continue to leave the state or go to the BDF isn't going to cut it. We must improve and start landing the Malik's and Sheffields more consistently.
I agree, but as has been said by others in this thread you appear to be putting too much weight on 247's rankings. The only SEC team that did a measurable amount better than us is Bama. Compare our class to "#5" LSU.
There's always room for improvement, but considering how far we've come in recruiting, I just can't see how some people are so negative, especially when considering we've gotten as many 5 stars in the past 2 years as the 10 years prior to that combined (LINK ).
We're ALWAYS going to miss on some recruits we want, that's reality. I just can't get on board with the "I don't care what I have, I want what that boy has!" mentality.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 10:47 am to Projectpat
Posted on 2/5/15 at 10:55 am to betweenthebara
I woke up to the same dam argument
Posted on 2/5/15 at 10:57 am to Roger Klarvin
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Are we a better coached team than Bama, Auburn, LSU, etc?
Maybe on the offensive side sure. I really like the hires we made on that side of the ball.
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The bottom line is going to the SEC upped the ante
This is what I don't get.
I mean, being SEC doesn't magically make a team recruit in the top 20. Look at Arky- very close to the Metroplex and even after their good years they can't pull in bigger classes.
I agree with you in principle that we need top 10 classes to contend for SEC title and that recruiting is an important indicator. What I don't get is this notion that we just snap our fingers and magically we are the biggest recruiting draw in the state just because that is what we expect. SEC or not we don't have a winning history like most programs that recruit in the top 10 every year, and all the facilities in the world can't make the line "A&M's last national title was in 1939" on the negative recruiting trail sound any better.
I feel like we are getting very close here to being like the sips with Mack Brown- aka all his great recruiting wasn't him it was how awesome the opportunity playing for Texas is. They assumed that Brown's Feburary success could be the property of any Texas coach, and here we are after NSD and Charlie had to load up on Florida kids his first full cycle to fill a class and Aggy still ended up with more five stars. Mack's recruiting success was often due to his talents, just like our recruiting boost with Sumlin is due to his talents and not just because we now have the SEC brand.
If we would have won a national title in 2012 I would get being upset about say a Shef. But we didn't, and quite honestly all the momentum we did get out of that season is already almost gone. Until we freakishly win something like a SEC or National title, aka a victory that 50 years from now will still be a talking point in our favor to a recruit, we are basically faking it until we make it. I get why he would decide way back when to play for the best coach in America (in many people's opinion) over an Aggie that has had a progressively worse defense since joining the SEC. No recruiting conspiracy needed.
Yes it sucks that means we probably are going to hit a Nick Saban glass ceiling as long as he sticks around, or maybe even a Les Miles glass ceiling if stealing Chavis didn't reverse the Mojo, but that doesn't mean that we still can't have good seasons or we can't even sneak by a team that is more talented like Ole Miss did to Nick this year. All it takes is a good bounce in our favor and all those five stars can't do a thing.
On the other side of this- the BFD side- I feel like this cycle has reduced the pressure on us to "win now or lose the window!" Their talent level is getting decimated by the lack of Big 12 respect- far far beyond what the biggest Big 12 haters could have hoped in say 2012. As long as a TCU or Baylor keeps hitting a glass ceiling and doesn't win a national title they are one coaching change away from going back under water. OU is losing in the facilities race and have never been less nationally relevant in the Big 12 era. Oh and one thing we never really recognize- unlike the old Big 12 we lived under NU is no longer picking ahead of us.
I feel like after this NSD the big GOR clock now looks like a 1960's Doomsday Clock- outdated. I don't see any move either Texas or OU could or would make in the post GOR period that would undo what we are doing for ourselves. Heck TCU and Baylor being good just makes them harder to dump, and OU's SEC invite is non-committable as long as the ACC stays together and keeps a logical 16th team off the market.
We are fine, we need to see progress in development and coaching more than recruiting. Heck even if we got say Boyd I still wouldn't expect better than say a top 70-ish defense next year. That side of the ball just has too many talent deficiencies, too little depth. We need three Mack, two Shefs. It will take a few cycles.
What I want to see next year is an OL that blocks better. WRs that don't drop passes as much. RBs breaking off big runs, or at least blowing through stacked boxes. The reason I just wrote a novel is because on our list of things to worry about recruiting is so far down the list I don't even understand where you are coming from.
Heck we get Smith and we will all be singing Sumlin's praises. Since he has been here recruiting has CERTAINLY improved, while some pieces of coaching haven't (like the OL). If we can improve the coaching then maybe we can have FSU-type success when we get the right QB. Then once we have some skins on the wall I will join you in bitching about a top 15 class instead of a top 10 one.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 11:06 am to cardboardboxer
Posted on 2/5/15 at 11:14 am to cardboardboxer
That's long as frick yo but I probably agree with most of it
Posted on 2/5/15 at 12:04 pm to cardboardboxer
Well said
Posted on 2/5/15 at 12:08 pm to cardboardboxer
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I feel like we are getting very close here to being like the sips with Mack Brown- aka all his great recruiting wasn't him it was how awesome the opportunity playing for Texas is. They assumed that Brown's Feburary success could be the property of any Texas coach, and here we are after NSD and Charlie had to load up on Florida kids his first full cycle to fill a class and Aggy still ended up with more five stars. Mack's recruiting success was often due to his talents, just like our recruiting boost with Sumlin is due to his talents and not just because we now have the SEC brand.
Been feeling this, too. As if, because we're in the SEC, a "top 15" class is the worst-case scenario starting point, and if we don't pull a "top 5" class, we need to start thinking that maybe Sumlin isn't the guy.
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We are fine, we need to see progress in development and coaching more than recruiting. Heck even if we got say Boyd I still wouldn't expect better than say a top 70-ish defense next year. That side of the ball just has too many talent deficiencies, too little depth. We need three Mack, two Shefs. It will take a few cycles.
I do, however, think we can be better on defense than this. Significantly better. I can understand not wanting to raise expectations, when some are already too high (see above), but I think we easily have the pieces for a better-than-average defense next year.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 12:26 pm to Mirthomatic
I am really optimistic for a top 50
Remember that neither good nor bad. Bo is around. I don't think Bama will be as good at offense this year as well. A lot of their schemes will now be know .
Auburn is the only team that I see putting big yards and numbers up other than us.
Remember that neither good nor bad. Bo is around. I don't think Bama will be as good at offense this year as well. A lot of their schemes will now be know .
Auburn is the only team that I see putting big yards and numbers up other than us.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 1:24 pm to WestCoastAg
Very good read! Gracias.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 1:29 pm to WestCoastAg
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Rumors about everything from the Longhorns offering Kevin Murray a job to there being a rift in the relationship between Kevin Murray and Kevin Sumlin, nothing seemed out of bounds while the public awaited a resolution.
"There were a lot of stories out there about Kevin and I not getting along," Sumlin said. "It's not true. People just filled in the blanks with what they wanted to put in there."
Added Kevin Murray: "All of the crap that you've heard and I've heard about my relationship with Kevin, that's about as far-fetched as me going to the moon. I've heard so much stuff in the last few weeks that it's absolutely been amazing to me."
Anyone want to eat some crow?
Posted on 2/5/15 at 1:39 pm to Roger Klarvin
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What it means is, if we continue to recruit at this level, we will need better coaching than those above us to compensate. Are we a better coached team than Bama, Auburn, LSU, etc?
Holy hell you are being a weenie right now. You need to stop acting like we are so far back in recruiting that we are fricked unless our coaches can win via tactics.
We have competed just fine against the SEC the last 3 years off of mainly Sherman's recruits who according to your line of thought w/this current class should have stood no chance in hell of doing jack shite.
Good lord it's like we just pulled in a class ranked in the low 40s the way you are acting.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 3:55 pm to Dr RC
God, I love Aaron Moorehead. Said some really awesome and interesting things in a TA interview.
On Ratley:
On Ratley:
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“I tell you what, this guy might be one of the biggest steals of this class. You watch him run around, you watch him catch, and he reminds me of Reggie Wayne. That’s big praise. It’s the way he has ‘pluck’ hands, and he’s not a body catcher. He runs through the catches and just continues on his route in his effort to score touchdowns. Those little things that you can’t teach, he has. I’m able just to tweak little things that he does and get him better. He’s a big-time player that reminds me a little bit of kind of the situation that happened with Josh Reynolds. He just wasn’t a highly touted guy out of high school, goes to junior college and flourishes. Then, all of a sudden, you’re looking at a big-time player. Those guys – and I had a chance to talk with Josh a little bit – they keep a chip on their shoulder, because they don’t forget that you didn’t recruit them out of high school, now. You’re glad you’ve got them now.”
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Catching the football’s got to be improved. I watched some of the games last year, watched some of the practices, (and we had) too many drops. We’ve got to take care of that, first and foremost. That’s our job. You’re here to catch the ball. That’s what we’ve got to do. That’s what we’ve got to continue to get better at.
Then you look at just their overall movement. I like to see certain movements, and if you don’t see those movements off of the tape, it’s really hard for me to fall in love with you as a player. So, that’s kind of what you’re looking at. Playmaking ability, ability to catch the football, which kind of go hand-in-hand, and then, obviously, kind of: What’s your movement? What’s your skillset? Does your skillset compute to what we’re trying to do? If all those answers are ‘yes’, then move full-speed ahead.
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I’m great at technique and kind of understanding that what’s going to help Speedy is not always going to help Josh, and what’s going to help Josh isn’t going to help Ricky. You’ve got to understand that different guys do different things. Speedy’s got some things that he does naturally really well and then there’re other things that he’s got to get cleaned up. So, I’m excited to get my hands on him a little bit and just kind of polish up some things. Then at the end of the day, you let your natural ability take over. That’s when you’ve got a superstar
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Guys are going to have to come in and compete every day. When you have 7, 8, 9, 10 receivers that can all play, there’s no days off, because if you take a day off, someone’s taking your reps. It doesn’t matter what you did, it’s what you’re doing moving forward.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:25 pm to Asian Sensation
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:32 pm to Projectpat
Thanks for posting that!
Who's Next!
Smith!
Who's Next!
Smith!
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:35 pm to Old Sarge
Keep the dream alive Sarge. I am on that train, I have felt good about him for a while (like since when he visited) for no good reason.
Posted on 2/5/15 at 9:38 pm to cardboardboxer
There's hope until he signs a Loi!
Posted on 2/5/15 at 11:14 pm to Old Sarge
Interesting clues on the recruiting board. HailHailtoMichigan! says this:
You add in the theory that if he wanted to stay in state he would have immediately signed with UGA and
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From what I have heard from my UM sources, this is likely a UGA-Aggie battle.
DJ Durkin reached out, but Smith said he wanted to stay in the south.
You add in the theory that if he wanted to stay in state he would have immediately signed with UGA and
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