Mirthomatic

quote:

---

Who is this "new addition" that 247 is making a reference to? They're implying another commitment before February

---

If you're talking about the "Add another early enrollee" thread, it's just that MGK is going to be an early enrollee. No new commits.

OK, if I gave the impression that I was accusing you of avoiding my points, then that was the wrong impression to give. I agree with you that playing at a small college doesn't necessarily spell doom for an NFL career. Your examples proved that.

I was just using a couple of the examples you gave to broaden the discussion. To be clear, before my first post, there was no reason for you address my points, because they hadn't been raised yet in the thread. And yes, even after my first post, there was no requirement for you to address my points, if all you wanted to do was refute the argument of the OP. I acknowledge that, too.

So I think, with all that said, we're more or less on the same page.

quote:

---

You know what is funny? You have no idea what anybody said. Nowhere in my post did I say that it was an optimal way to star.

---

Is it funny because nowhere in any of my posts did I allege that you said it was an optimal way to start? Are strawmen funny? (In the Wizard of Oz, I guess)

I never said you said it was an optimal way to start. I said you never acknowledged it was sub-optimal. I understood that you were arguing against the claim by OP that doing so would ruin their careers. But I was pointing out that, while that is true, it still would very likely HARM their careers. That latter point was never addressed by you in your previous posts.

quote:

---

Come on dude. Seriously? Then give us your take on Tom Brady being a 7th round pick. He played at michigan, so you don't think that maybe....juuuuust maybe sometimes players might not be scouted correctly.

---

Tom Brady? Are you serious? First, he was picked in the 6th round, not the 7th. Second, are you familiar at all with his stats in college? In four years at UM, his highest yardage total was 2,427. His highest TD total was 16. He didn't have great measurables, and he didn't have anything close to the kind of on-the-field production that could have predicted what he would become.

The one thing he had going for him was that he was winning at a high level, against NFL-bound competition. If he had gone the small-school route, he would not even have had that mark in his favor.

In fact, if he had gone to a small school and performed as he did, not only would he likely not have been drafted, he probably would never even have been given the chance as an UDFA. So yes, that decision probably would have ruined his career.

quote:

---

Deacon Jones-Mississippi Vocational College
...
Tony Romo-Eastern Illinois

---

Deacon Jones was drafted in the 14th round. And Tony Romo went undrafted.

Jones was reportedly discovered by accident, when the Rams went to scout some running backs, and found this DT outrunning them.

Romo was more on the NFL's radar, but still didn't get drafted despite this college career:

"On December 19, 2002, Romo became the first player in Eastern Illinois and Ohio Valley Conference history to win the Walter Payton Award, given annually to the top Division I-AA football player. He finished his career holding school and conference records with 85 touchdown passes.[14] He finished second in school and third in conference history with 8,212 passing yards and second in school history with 584 completions and 941 attempts.[15] As a senior, he set school and conference records for completions with 258 in 407 attempts for 3,418 yards. This was second in conference and third in school history for a season. He threw for 34 touchdowns and scored one rushing touchdown. Romo's 3,149 yards in total offense as a senior ranked third in school and conference history. Along with the Walter Payton Award, Romo earned consensus All-America honors. In addition, he was selected All-Ohio Valley Conference and was named OVC Player of the Year for the third straight year.[15]"

This is the problem. It isn't that you CAN'T have a great NFL career if you play at a small school, but you are making it harder on yourself if you do, and you're very possibly giving up a lot of money from your first contract. Is there any doubt that Jones or Romo would have been early-round draftees had they played in a major conference like the SEC or B1G?

I can respect what Travis Hunter is trying to do, and given how highly he was rated coming out of HS, he might not suffer from the decision much, because he already has the attention of scouts. But it's still a risk. And it will be an even bigger risk for players who don't start out with Hunter's high profile

When you think about notable people who moved to Texas from Tennessee, the first (and perhaps only) person people think of is Davey Crockett. Next time, you may also think of former Vol, Charley Moran.

Charley Moran was born in 1878 in Nashville, TN. He played football for the University of Tennessee in 1897, and in 1909 would head to the lone star state to take over as head football coach at Texas A&M College. That first year Moran went 7-0-1 for an unbeaten season, with the lone tie coming against TCU. Moran's Aggies actually defeated the UTx Longhorns twice that year; in all 17 previous contests, the Aggies had prevailed only once.

He would compile a 38-8-4 record for the Aggies (including a 3-1 record against the Horns) before leaving after the 1914 season.

Moran wasn't finished coaching college football, though, and he took the helm of Centre College in 1917. His first three years saw his squad amass a record of 19-0, and in 1919 the "Praying Colonels" went 9-0 to win their lone national championship.

For the 1921 regular season Moran's Praying Colonels went 10-0, with victories over the likes of Clemson, Kentucky, Auburn, Tulane, Arizona, and Harvard (ranked the 3rd biggest upset in college football history by ESPN). They had outscored their opponents 314-6, and were riding high when they rolled into Fair Park Stadium in Dallas for a January 2nd bowl game, the 1922 Dixie Classic.

Their opponent that day was Moran's previous coaching gig, the Texas A&M Aggies.

It was a hard-fought game, and injuries began to mount for D.X. Bible's Aggies. With A&M clinging to a 2-0 lead at the half, Bible noticed how injuries were depleting his roster. He called down a student from the press box to suit up in the uniform of one of the injured players.

E. King Gill, now in uniform, stood on the sidelines, ready to go in. And that's how the Twelfth Man tradition began.

Aside from all of that, Moran had a varied, interesting life. He briefly played baseball for the St. Louis Cardinals, and later became an umpire, officiating four World Series (1927, 1929, 1933, and 1938).

He was even co-coach of the NFL's Frankford Yellow Jackets for the 1927 season.

In 1949, he passed away at the age of 71. And in 1968, he was named to the Texas A&M Athletic Hall of Fame.

Here.

quote:

---

Also, he was at alabama for 6 years

---

Granted that Sumlin is living on borrowed time, but it is still important that we not waste a year of physical development for the players on campus. Anyone who spent 6 years with Saban I'm predisposed to think is a good hire. Did Saban fire Hocke, or did he just move laterally to Georgia?

quote:

---

Kirk didn't give a shite?

---

This. Plus, I thought Tabuyo was underutilized, but worked hard when he was out there.

quote:

---

Good. So I'm not the only one on the Les Miles bandwagon.

---

Les Miles is an "offensive-minded" coach who vastly under-performed his talent on offense. And he never exhibited a capacity to change/improve that.

quote:

---

Lol. Trevor doesn't get injured and we win 10 games this season and play in the sugar bowl. Things happen

---

We gave up 365 rushing yards to MSU. Knight's absence had nothing to do with that.

Ole Miss was missing their own starting QB when they played us, and ran out a true fish taking his first live college snaps. They then went on to get blown out by Vanderbilt in their next game.

"Things" have been "happening" ever since the 2012 season.