re: 2015 Recruiting Discussion

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The 12th ranked class was good enough for 4th in the division and 7th in the conference. Will you be ok with regularly being the 7th best team in the SEC? Because if not then your acceptance of our current ranking as good enough is inconsistent

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Again, you fail to realize that the talent gap between the #2 class and the #13 class is very small. You also forget to factor that people like Ketch are in charge of the rating system in many of these sites (5* Tyrone "the brisket" Swoopes says hi). These star systems are meant to give you an idea of how good the classes are. They are by no means anything official or close to accurate. Outside of Bama, a lot of these top 13 classes look very similar in terms of number of impact players


You are reading too much into the rating system and its eating you up. Had Sumlin offered and picked up two more 3 stars, we probably would have passed up Auburn. LSU and A&M both had eleven 4* players. A&M had three 5* to LSU's two 5*. That seems pretty even to me in terms of potential impact players. The big difference is 3* players for both schools, but at the end of the day most of these kids require development (which is where good coaching comes into play).

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These star systems are meant to give you an idea of how good the classes are.

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This.

Address your needs with the highest stars available/interested, and then go produce results on the field.

Recruiting rankings ain't weekly football rankings.

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That just isn't true. The gap between our class and Florida State's is significant.

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Maybe, but they just recently won a national title and were in the playoffs. I would expect a gap.

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We also failed to land any immediate impact corners or linebackers. We loaded up on projects.

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Lots of teams did. LSU also filled up on projects. The difference this year is we have the coaching to maybe develop them.

I get the fact that most coaches who have won a BCS title did it early by catching lightning in a bottle, but I don't think that is a fair comparison. Each one of those coaches were hired by a "helmet" program in the NCAA, aka the kind of team that was loaded with talent before they came, or a team that built up over time. Even Oregon's Chip Kelly benefitted from a build up for years prior to that to be in position. Because there are so many teams in college football and so few top spots it looks like a pattern but it is really just a bunch of exceptions.

Is Sumlin the kind of guy to win a title? Who knows. I do know what he is doing can't be bad for our program. We are all expected this high level of success in a division that is more loaded with elite coaching than ever before. If we are honest with ourselves our best shot is more something like after Sumlin leaves to go to the NFL (and Nick Saban has a heart attack) the next guy takes this talent and wins year two against a weaker SEC. If between now and then we can play well enough to have 9-10 wins every season I for one am not going to complain.

This is only our second really really good class with few risks. That is half the roster we need. We couldn't close the entire gap in a single NSD no matter what.

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We recruited significantly better than we deserved

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And the flip side is that a TCU or Baylor didn't recruit as well as they deserved by wins.

As long as that dynamic continues we are OK.

This may have already been brought up but I haven't seen it. Just a question about, Murray. IF Kyler, does not go in the draft, has there been any talk of him playing baseball for Rob? Would Sumlin, allow this? Is Kyler or Rob, interested in him playing? If he is limited playing at Kyle this year, why not have him over at Olsen, as well? I'd like to see it.

Edit: Not trying to break up current conversation, I just didn't want to start a thread about it or post it somewhere else.

He is already set up to play baseball for us

It'll have to be no worse than top half of 1st round

Kyler really wants to win a CFPC

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That just isn't true. The gap between our class and Florida State's is significant.

We also failed to land any immediate impact corners or linebackers. We loaded up on projects.

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And we play Florida State as much as we play the B12: not at all.

You look at the classes of Auburn and LSU (and UT and UGA, for that matter) and compare them to ours. They are virtually the same quality-wise. They aren't signing 25 Byron Cowarts or 25 Leonard Fournettes each year. They have their stars, but they also have their projects. We are recruiting on-par with everyone else in the SEC not named Bama.

So going forward, we're going to have roughly the same talent as LSU, only our guys are going to be coached by Sumlin/Spavital/Chavis, while the Tigers are led by Miles/Cameron/Steele.

How can you not be optimistic about that?

Lastly, while I certainly would have landed a CB who was ready to challenge for a starting job, I would disagree with your claim we didn't sign any immediate impact linebackers. Claude George is going to help us out immediately by being in the 2-deep at Mike from the start.

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had to be Sumlin's call to keep it quiet, that way if none of our other targets picked us we would at least have Daylon's announcement on NSD.

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I don't know about that. Daylon early on recruited for us when he was a commit and I think that might have burned him some when things went south with Snyder. Towards the end of the process he played things close to the chest- IE letting the Texas and TCU coaching staffs they were out behind the scenes and not in public on Twitter. Maybe he just wanted to (GASP) contain the drama.

The only real what if I have is related to Boyd- IE if would have been committed for a year maybe we would have signed him. But maybe he still would have flipped due to family pressure, which would have given Charlie the former Aggie commit he coveted this cycle. You just never know.

In the case of Mack I feel we kinda got lucky. It is hard to bring back in kids that decommit, the negative feelings that pushed you to decommit are hard to overcome. Hamm called that one 100%, the DC hire brought him back in, but no one other than Chavis would have worked. But the fact he did decommit is the reason we have gold like this TCU thread:

LINK

So I will take it.

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The only real what if I have is related to Boyd- IE if would have been committed for a year maybe we would have signed him. But maybe he still would have flipped due to family pressure, which would have given Charlie the former Aggie commit he coveted this cycle

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I think Boyd would have been like a Dunning or Pryor if we would have taken his commitment from the start. If Strong doesn't have the "back-up choice" angle to work, I don't think he ever causes a committed Boyd to waver.

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Hamm called that one 100%, the DC hire brought him back in, but no one other than Chavis would have worked

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I think Foster or Muschamp at least would also have had the same effect for Mack. Don't know about Durkin/Mattison. Agree that if we had to settle for an up-and-comer like Barry Odom, I Mack doesn't come back.