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re: Wishbone Offense: When do you remember last seeing it in CFB/NFL?
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:33 pm to hogwildinhouston
Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:33 pm to hogwildinhouston
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It's why his career ended up with him being fired from Rice.
Are you sure? I can't imagine Rice firing a football coach for performance: they dgaf. I thought it was bc he defended his opposition to homosexuality on his religious principles
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 4:36 pm to RD Dawg
Acadiana High School in Lafayette, LA is in district 5A and runs the veer offense and they've been a powerhouse for a long time. I can't think of any offensive players they've put in big time CFB, but Jacob Cutrera played LB for LSU
Posted on 7/9/20 at 6:04 pm to AuburnPanic40
I think Air Force was the last team to run the true wishbone as their full time offense.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 6:09 pm to TigerintheNO
So did the Big Red. In fact, I barely remember Coryell using
it against the Cowboys.
it against the Cowboys.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 6:09 pm to AuburnPanic40
1971 Oklahoma Sooners under Barry Switzer.
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44.5 points per game and 472 rushing yards per game is out of this world.
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Posted on 7/9/20 at 6:11 pm to Murph4HOF
Navy gave us fits while using it in the 2009 Texas Bowl.
Posted on 7/9/20 at 6:14 pm to AuburnPanic40
We ran it in goal line situations early in Dan Mullen’s tenure. Mostly due to personnel like a strong fullback and running backs leftover from Croom’s team.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 12:05 pm to boudinman
472 rushing yards per game? That is fricking insane.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 12:22 pm to AuburnPanic40
I wouldnt mind seeing a package with that for UF using Jones. We need more misdirection and tricky options in our gameplan for tougher defenses.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 12:27 pm to Gatorbait2008
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I wouldnt mind seeing a package with that for UF using Jones. We need more misdirection and tricky options in our gameplan for tougher defenses.
I've always thought Mullen needed a QB who can run consistently between the tackles to unlock his full playbook. Jones is a great athlete but I don't think he could handle that for a full season.
To answer OP, it will never be used in the NFL because of the size of QB salaries. I don't remember the last college team who ran the true wishbone as their full time offense, but watching old games on YouTube of Switzer's OU teams shows that it was an exciting offense that got killed off when teams (specifically Miami and Jimmy Johnson) started emphasizing speed on defense.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 12:32 pm to Gatorbait2008
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I wouldnt mind seeing a package with that for UF using Jones. We need more misdirection and tricky options in our gameplan for tougher defenses.
It might work against a bigger defense like UGA’s but I don’t know how well it would against an undersized defense that relies on speed like Auburn’s (Not including our interior DL). Wishbone seems to rely on defensive players not being agile/quick enough to react to the misdirection and traps.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 12:36 pm to VADawg
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To answer OP, it will never be used in the NFL because of the size of QB salaries. I don't remember the last college team who ran the true wishbone as their full time offense, but watching old games on YouTube of Switzer's OU teams shows that it was an exciting offense that got killed off when teams (specifically Miami and Jimmy Johnson) started emphasizing speed on defense
I honestly if think a team like Vandy just bit the bullet and adopted the triple it could find relative success running it against teams in the East with bigger defenses.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 12:40 pm to AuburnPanic40
Meh. It would work for a year or two. But once players have gotten used to preparing for it each year, they would have more success in stopping it. It is superior athletes running that system that would be scary.
But like others have said, major programs won’t run it again because of the NFL and recruiting.
But like others have said, major programs won’t run it again because of the NFL and recruiting.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 1:35 pm to CapstoneGrad06
Too many people presume that better athletes running the option makes the option better.
The reality is that the option (like all offenses) requires proper execution.
The truth is that proper execution is extremely difficult.
1 mistake blows up the play.
And the option doesnt come with a bunch of successful explosive play calls to make up for "not being on schedule".
Steve spurrier called an option play in a critical late goal line 4th down while at South Carolina against UGA.
The UGA defensive end tripped the RT on the snap and the ILB (who should have been blocked by the RT) easily stuffed the play. Everybody has a role on the option and any "bad luck" blows the offense up.
The reality is that the option (like all offenses) requires proper execution.
The truth is that proper execution is extremely difficult.
1 mistake blows up the play.
And the option doesnt come with a bunch of successful explosive play calls to make up for "not being on schedule".
Steve spurrier called an option play in a critical late goal line 4th down while at South Carolina against UGA.
The UGA defensive end tripped the RT on the snap and the ILB (who should have been blocked by the RT) easily stuffed the play. Everybody has a role on the option and any "bad luck" blows the offense up.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 2:34 pm to meansonny
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Too many people presume that better athletes running the option makes the option better.
The reality is that the option (like all offenses) requires proper execution.
Wasn’t that clear in my statement? You’ve still got to execute.
When Nebraska was still running the option out of the I, (1969-2003) they were more elite at doing it than any other option style offense. Even if both executed it well. Nebraska had superior athletes and thus were tougher to stop.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 3:08 pm to BluegrassBelle
Last year was more similar to the veer offense with two backs in the backfield at times. Kind of a hybrid cross read option with veer elements. We did some option pitches last year but never had the third back in the backfield.
Last wishbone play I saw from a P5 team was when Texas ran one play after Darrell Royal died.
GT ran some option with their special "legal" chop blocks.
Last wishbone play I saw from a P5 team was when Texas ran one play after Darrell Royal died.
GT ran some option with their special "legal" chop blocks.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 3:41 pm to AuburnPanic40
The wishbone was put a hat on a hat and out man the other team or wait for an exceptional athlete to make a big play or an exceptional coach to make a big play call,(tight end slant; fullback swing). Matt Jones could shoot through a 3 foot gap and be gone in that offense. The wishbone truly spread out a defense to the horizontal. However, could Matt Jones take the helmets to the chin and sternum that he would have to take from a DE or OLB making that last second pitch to his HB for the corner?
Posted on 7/10/20 at 3:50 pm to mulletproof
How do people view the wishbone versus the diamond formation?
The same double option often applies, but the personnel is a little different with H Back body types.
The same double option often applies, but the personnel is a little different with H Back body types.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 3:50 pm to TigerintheNO
quote:I think that was the 49ers, against the Giants. I remember that, because they ran the triple option a few times, and then threw a TD out of it.
NY Giants ran it in 1987, with the replacement players
Last time I remember a big program was Oklahoma; I do remember Air Force running it. Not real sure about the current service academies, I think they're in an altered formation.
Posted on 7/10/20 at 3:54 pm to VADawg
Is that extenze spokesman, Jimmy Johnson? Didn't know he was a fb coach.
This post was edited on 7/10/20 at 3:56 pm
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